De La Hoya Twitter: Camachos career,fought Champs in their Prime, Unlike Somebody.

How anyone can question Oscar's resume is beyond me and this clearly was a shot at Floyd ..I mean Manny is fighting Marquez for a 4th time ,and just fought Bradley ..I think its safe to say that this was meant for Floyd who not only cherry picks but is also a part time fighter !

 

this.

 

Every fighter has to fight old former champions. Marciano had to fight Joe Louis, Ali had to fight Archie Moore, Tyson had to fight Larry Holmes. What's important is that you also fight the best young fighters.

 

de la hoya is an ice cold assassin

 

I already disagree with you here. Prime fighters lose all of the time. It's silly to believe that a fighter needs to then go on to prove that he is still in his prime afterward. Some fighters tend to fall after defeats... some fighters don't. However, a lot of times... once someone fights a guy like Oscar De La Hoya, they aren't the same after. It isn't because he ruined them... but because they got a payday bigger than anything they ever had before. They don't have the same drive to train.

Vargas was in his prime, simple as that. He lost to Tito... big deal. Losing to Felix Trinidad certainly doesn't mean that you are washed up. Vargas came back, won the WBA title... roided up... and put on one of his best performances of his life against Oscar, before Oscar broke him down and took him out. There has never been a better Vargas in the ring. Was Vargas the same after he lost to Oscar? Probably not... why? Well... now he just lost to the man that he wanted to fight his entire career. A lot of Vargas' name was made from calling out Oscar De La Hoya. He put everything that he had into preparing and fighting that fight. He lost... a crushing blow to his mentality.... along with what I pointed out earlier with getting a huge payday, and losing that fighting drive. Vargas started gaining weight like crazy after that fight. Clearly living it up with the money.

Also, generally when someone fights a guy like Oscar, they are at their best. They are on the biggest stage that they have ever seen. It's the biggest fight of their lives, and most watched fight in the World. They are part of a mega event. People bring their A game. It's easy to cut corners and come into a fight looking sloppy against a weaker, "no-name" fighter. However, people always bring their best when fighting the biggest draw in the sport.

I'm not going to keep going 'round and 'round.... I made my points well known in other posts.

Different guys handle losses differently. A fighter can lose once, more than once... even a few fights in a row, and still be in their prime. They may simply be fighting people who are better than themselves. This might even drive them into retirement. Not because they can't box anymore... but because they don't feel like they can beat the best guys out there, so they don't see the point in continuing.

Had Wladimir Klitschko retired after he was beat by Sanders and Brewster... and then his awkward fight against TOS... people would have considered Wlad to be a finished fighter who didn't have it anymore. Yet, Wlad stuck around... had the mentality to grow, train harder, fight smarter... and he came back better than ever. Point being... what you do after a loss doesn't always prove that you were past your prime.

It's this fan mentality that a fighter is finished once he loses that has fighter afraid to fight other top fighters. They are afraid that they will be written off if they lose. Being undefeated has nothing to do with being prime. Losing does not signal the end of prime.

 

It don't matter which one he talking about cause Mayweather beat him like he was an old ***** and Packie beat him like he was a dirty old *****. GTFOHWTS.

 

Wasn't his "big announcement" once that he wasn't going to announce a comeback to the ring?

 

Not trying to defend Floyd's win here, but Gatti was on a nice little winning streak and had proven better in the fights leading up to the Mayweather fight than in those leading up to the Oscar fight.

As for your top 10, I'd agree more or less. I would rank the Gatti win somewhere among Chavez and Ortiz.

Genaro was past prime for both Mayweather and Oscar. However, Mayweather beat him at 130 where Genaro is among the greats of the division whereas Oscar beat him at a division which is utterly irrelevant to Genaro's career.

 

No, but it shows your peak limits in a negative way. A prime, THE prime of a fighter, would not expose this...

I agree it's a negative mindset from a promotional/managerial mindset, but when discussing particularly the prime, I stand by what I said.

 

oscar did fight a prime ike, tito, sturm, shane and hopkins.

 

Is that why Floid only got a disputed SD, and subsequently ran like a ***** when asked for a rematch? :think

 

That **** wasn't disputed, plus you oughta know by now that Money don't give rematches. He only gave one in his whole career and he shouldn't have done that.:bbb

 

Obviously its coward floyd ***boy mayweather