Roach confession that Ariza was Pac's drug dealer? (Sweet science article)

No he doesn't...there's nothing about Manny's "style" that's going to trouble Floyd.

 

You guys are a bunch of ****ing queers and morons. It's called ****ing PROMOTION!

 

I respect your opinion.....but I think I'll stick with my understanding of how the sweet science works. Regardless of what some of his most loyal fans may believe.....there are elements that some fighters have that are problematic for the P4P Champ. Not to worry....that mis conception is very common within that group.

 

:roll: naive

 

While both Mayweather and Pac are fast, I dont think Pacquiao is nearly as quick at Mayweather.
You can anticipate that Mayweather's shoulder roll defense defense is'nt as effective vs southpaws. If that turns out to be true, I believe even while negating the shoulder roll mobile with his feet, Mayweather's quickness advantage is going to show.

Pacquiao was'nt nearly as aggressive vs Marquez as he's been with other welters and that includes Bradley in his last fight. Precision and accurate punching do that to Pacquiao.
Being that Mayweather is quicker and carries more power than Marquez, I just dont see where Pacquiao will be allowed to turn on his bursts of speed and come in charing at Mayweather the way he's done most welters without paying a significant price.

With Mayweather, Pacquiao is going to have someone countering with precision power pot shots that will be on the mark.
Mayweather's shots carry more power than that of Marquez' and they will definitely be a detterent if ever they were to meet.

If Marquez were a bonafide natural welterweight who could look lean and trim officially weighing in at 147 lbs, I'd pick Marquez on Dec 8th to brutally knockout Manny Pacquiao and do it with ease.

Marquez is not a solid natual welterweight, Mayweather however is!

 

..and so is pac.

 

The only way I'd be intrigued to watch another installment of Marquez-Mayweather would be if Marquez would to dominate Pacquiao every minute of every round like Pacquiao is a child, and then dispose of him in solid fashion.
That my friend is not going to happen.

 

I agree, Pacquiao is not a bonafide welterweight. I stated so in a previous post.

What is you point?

 

Roach goin in on those subliminal shots...

 

I believe both men have great speed and reflexes that are very comparable. Only a fight would prove which one of us are right. I won't hold my breath as if we are ever going to find out which one of us are correct.

PAC definitely needs to be more aggressive which is the theme of this training camp. In order for his style and qualities to be the most effective Manny has to be applying pressure.

The problem with PAC is as he's gotten older and he's added new wrinkles to his skill sets, he's become more cerebral and less instinctual. PAC needs to apply intelligence to his pressure but TOO MUCH "intelligence" can be counter productive for a guy with PAC's tools.

Pac doesn't charge in the way most "Brawlers" do....he's got a very unorthodox foundation which he's always had where his rhythm is really difficult to hone in on. Timing PAC is difficult...not impossible...but definitely difficult as even a sharp shooter like Juan has had difficult time landing at his career average when he faces Manny. PAC also comes in with combinations which creates risk for the less risky fighter.

Usually a counter puncher is use to seeing opportunities over a single punch...like a jab or straight right. It's harder for a counter puncher like Floyd to counter 3 or 4 punches in a row as opposed to just one.

No matter what....who ever is fighting Floyd has to be willing to accept that there's going to be a hefty price to pay if you come to win. But it helps if you have the right tools and game plan in place to have a chance in toppling the unbeaten Mayweather. PAC has more than a punchers chance in my opinion and I believe Floyd knows this.

 

We agree on that. Not that it's impossible, but highly unlikely based on how the 36 previous rounds have went.

 

Roach is spot on abt strength and conditioning coaches... all bull**** and ariza is in fact a **** loving ******. In other words, these roid dealers are necessary evils to level the boxing playfield in the 21st century.. which brings me to my final point: that Paulie Magic Man needs to get with the times and hire one of these roids dealers and rocket to the type of the P4P rankings... Paulie + Roids = Paulie + Power = wrecking machine!!

 

Does Roach think everyone is uneducated and stupid?! S&C coaches being out of the sport in no way gets rid of PEDS, and a good coach is an asset to a fighter. Period. You'd have to eliminate doctors, physio therapists, local gym rats, bodybuilders, power lifters, anti aging clinics, supplement stores etc etc etc from ever having contact with the atheletes to even have a chance of eliminating PEDs. And that doesn't even cover the true sources, which would need to be outlawed, which will never happen since there is clinical use for these hormones in human and veterinary medicine. ****ing laughable. A good S&C coach is invaluable beyond any potential drug ties.

 

You either have it or you dont, roiding up to the tilt is not going to give you punching power. At least not enough to make a difference.

The proof is Vinny Pazienza.
Pazienza was as roided a fighter as there ever was, it only helped him add on mass to be competitive for the next weight class, it did not increase his punching power.

PED's would only help Malignaggi add mass and be able to carry a higher workrate without gassing, it wont make him a power punching sensation.

 

This thread is mightily ******* free. interesting