Cotto vs Trout was high altitude training a factor?

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  1. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    cotto's lack of aggressiveness and small punch output was what lost the fight for him

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  2. TheGreat

    TheGreat Boxing Junkie banned

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    I guess Mosley being a 40 yr old shot fighter had nothing to do with it...:rofl
     
  3. SweetHome_Bama

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    boxing trainers know about boxing strategy, they don't know about what is best for getting the peak out of the human body.

    They can talk about the old methods all they like, but at the end of the day we have more knowledge and have progressed from old methods for a reason.
     
  4. JoeCamelTow

    JoeCamelTow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Trout is what lost him the fight.
     
  5. Southpaw1

    Southpaw1 Member Full Member

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    No Trout was the problem. A bigger JMW who was fast and showed good foot work against Cotto who's only shot of winning was pinning him against the ropes. Stop making excuses, that night Trout was the better man and honestly if Cotto trained at lower altitude or what ever I'm sure the fight would have been similar.
     
  6. Imperial1

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    Peak out of the human body ,listen if it was a health thing I would not argue but from a boxing perspective , I have yet to see how these progressions have improved the fighters in the ring ..Sure they are healthy as hell but when they can't box for a full fight with skill it hurts the fighters in the long run .Has anyone noticed how Cotto always gasses in his fights ? How was his physical peak an advantage when he almost get the breaks beat off him in the boxing matches down the stretch ?
     
  7. Blackness

    Blackness Danny Garcia Beat You... Full Member

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    Truth is... Cotto was a chubby kid. He took up boxing to shed pounds and so.. he is not necessarily a blessed athlete in terms of his genetics. At the core is that chubby little kid who gasses out. He made the most of it and the reality is.. He has gotten older. Cotto to me was beastly at 140...those body shots back then were thrown with fury.
     
  8. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Altitude training doesnt help. Your body immediately adjusts back to your natural levels almost immediately. Its shy athletes blood dope instead.

    It is great if you want to lose weight though. When I first move to the mountains i dropped weight like crazy until i acclimated how is that good for a boxer?
     
  9. tonyb

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    finally,somebody Got it right:D the fact is right here.. High altitude training, can be good for the lungs,BUT the muscles is getting killed by not getting enough oxygene. If u do running every other day, your lung will be in shape to box twelve rounds. But the muscles is going down by high altitude.. But lets be real here. I love miguel cotto, but he had gameplan problems here also. no jab to get inside. BAD combinations. he was slugish(this might be cause of the hight altitude training). but his balance was also way off.. people today like to just punch and dont know that their balance is way off. If u drive a car with flat tire at the one side, the car is gonna rotate to that side. We realy need more trainers today focusing on good balance and simple stuff as when to throw a punch and when not to, instead off just trying to land them . I can understand that if u have mayweather or tyson as a idol, u wanna do things that they do, but the fact is that we are only gonna be ourself, and not somebody else. i know the last part is a little off topic, but i just felt like saying it.
     
  10. Ricky42791

    Ricky42791 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    High altitude training never really made sense to me. I think it prevents you from reaching normal thresholds necessary to peak in training. Depriving your body of oxygen doesn't seem like a good idea. I understand high altitude training "in theory" train up in thin air so when you come down you can breath twice as easily but then again communism works "in theory" I think the isolation of being up in the mountains free from distraction is what truly benefits fighters.
     
  11. dealt_with

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    Altitude training is used to increase red blood cell production in the muscles. That is a peripheral adaptation, your fitness isn't increased just the holding capacity of the muscles for oxygen. It doesn't take long for those changes to disappear at sea level. When you train at high altitude you cannot train at a high intensity like at sea level.
    High intensity training is what increases central adaptations i.e. Vo2 max. That's the reason for the train low-sleep high method, you gain the central adaptations from the high intensity training plus the peripheral adaptations from the altitude.
    The peripheral gains from altitude are far more pronounced for pure endurance athletes such as long distance cyclists and runners. For a hybrid athlete like a boxer it would make minimal difference. The important fitness gains are central, the Vo2 max and Lactic capacity from high intensity training. If a boxer spends his whole training camp at altitude he will be impaired unless he was already in peak condition before camp, the boxer would then detrain during camp but if he was already at a high level of central fitness it might not matter too much.
    Either way altitude training is next to useless for a boxer imo, and as I mentioned more often than not detrimental to performance.
     
  12. Imperial1

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    Seems he's gone away from that body attack,Cotto to me was always a very dangerous body puncher..Lately he's become more of a head hunter.
     
  13. SweetHome_Bama

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    Cotto didn't have a physical problem he had a Trout problem.
    You want to know why Cotto gassed heavily?
    Trout was landing heavy Left hands to his body along with stiff jabs to his body all through the fight. You could see the cummulative effects as the fight progressed and the apex was when Trout hit him in the body with his left that hurt Cotto and made him turn around and run to the corner.

    That was all Trout, not his conditioning.
     
  14. Joachim UK

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    I agree here about the body shots from Trout taking the wind out of Cotto. Its not to dissimilar to what Mayweather did to Mosley. Notice, Mosley did not gas against Mora, Pacquiao or Alvarez because they made no concerted effort to go for body shots.
     
  15. negrotigre

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    High altitude training is overrated as is much of the fancy training boxers do today. If you want good boxing endurance and to be strong in the ring, put in more rounds sparring and hitting the mitts one right after the other and run at least four days a week and do ab work and push ups or lift medium heavy weights. That's really all you need.