Pacquiao - Marquez 4 Analysis/Possible Outcomes

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  1. floyd_g.o.a.t

    floyd_g.o.a.t Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Did Ariza work with him for the Bradley fight? I thought they were still working out together...
     
  2. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Another robbery or even a legit loss is not going to devestate me.

    Marquez is 40. Everything he's been doing the past couple of years is just icing on the cake!

    No vendetta here, I'm just telling it like it is! :bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb
     
  3. floyd_g.o.a.t

    floyd_g.o.a.t Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Robbery wont happen.

    Surely the whole point of the 4th fight is to give Marquez his victory? I don't see it any other way. #BoxingPolitics
     
  4. Barney

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    Marquez should win. Hopefully no robbery this time.
     
  5. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Aint going to happen. Marquez needs to dominate at least 10 rounds and even then there's no assurance.

    Dominate 12, he might secure a draw! LOL!
     
  6. floyd_g.o.a.t

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    Good first post :good
     
  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    The Bradley controversy put a wrench to that theory maybe having some credence.
    Judges have short memory spans, which is why they let themselves get conned into giving a fighter a round for landing a hard shot the last seconds of a round when the other fighter clearly won 2 minutes and 50 seconds of it.
    Judges are both dishonest and inept its become funny! :lol::nut
     
  8. divac

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    Ariza is in camp, they're working together on strenghth and conditioning.
     
  9. floyd_g.o.a.t

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    :deal:deal:deal

    It makes sense if JMM wins for Arum.

    Sets up a fight for Bradley vs JMM and Pacquiao vs Rios :hey
     
  10. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    The Bradley fight bombed with Pacquiao, it would have to be on free HBO for Marquez.

    Add to that, another Pacquiao loss and Pac's stock drops even further on the PPV market.
    Not to mention a Mayweather-Pacquiao possible fight gets tossed completely out the window.

    The problem here is that if Pacquiao loses, he's a dimished on the PPV market. I dont see Pac-Rios doing more than 1 million PPV if Pacqiuao walks in there having lost to Marquez.​
     
  11. RazorHandz

    RazorHandz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :nono:nono:nono He tried that in the 3rd fight and it didn't work out well for him. The more tactical and quiet the fight is, the more it benefits the smarter fighter = Marquez.

    Pacquiao needs to throw that tactical stuff out the window and bring the beast back, try to overwhelm Marquez with his speed and aggression and not give him enough time to think. Yes, he's gonna get countered but he needs to take the counters and keep coming, keep the fight at a fast pace to make Marquez's computer-like brain start to lag.
     
  12. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Any more thoughts on how Julie Byrd's scoring might affect things here, Div ?


    Do you think the "conflict of interest" case will provide JMM with an avenue of appeal if it doesn't go his way ?:yep
     
  13. gojas1

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    :rofl
     
  14. Ringnut

    Ringnut Boxing Addict Full Member

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    honestly the only way I can think of Pac getting a decisive win is if he goes for broke on the offense like the old Pac. It's also the best way for Pac to get KTFO or at least dropped by a Marquez who has gotten much stronger at the weight, and I can definitely see that happening if Pac chooses to fight this way.

    Any other approach will get either a UD win for Marquez or another controversial decision for Pac.

    I'm definitely leaning towards JMM in this fight.
     
  15. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You misunderstood. I'm not saying to box in the center of the ring with JMM, its obvious JMM will win that and I already stated that. I'm saying, fight off the backfoot so that JMM will be thrown off his counterpunching game by being the man who has to close the distance and launch the assault.

    IMO countering although is primarily to "counter" punches, you can also counter movements. What Pac was doing was trying to close the range, and even if he wasn't throwing and he tries to lunge in, close the distance, JMM sees that threat and counters it immediately before Pac can even get his punches off. So he was pre-empting Pac AND countering Pac in the occasion that Pac throws first. Both of these things can be taken away if he has to be the guy chasing, again, ie chasing Chris John.

    it will be much easier for Pac to counter JMM, walk him into a left hand if JMM is the one walking towards Pac. I dont mean stand in the center of the ring within JMM's range so JMM can land at will, but actually backpedal and let JMM come to Pac thus Pacquiao can concentrate on landing those punches to an incoming target rather than one moving away.