P4P List now?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jordan_Davies, Dec 9, 2012.


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  1. oibighead

    oibighead G.O.A.T. Full Member

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    I copied my list from a post I made earlier on another thread. Actually.

    Awful in the sense that Ward number 1?

    Because he beat a drained Dawson in his only fight this year?


    Clown :hi:
     
    oibighead, Dec 9, 2012
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  2. mckay_89

    mckay_89 Haw you! Full Member

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    PBF
    Marquez
    Ward
    Donaire
    Martinez
    Wlad
    Pacquiao
    Bradley
    Mares
    Froch
     
    mckay_89, Dec 9, 2012
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  3. Keitaro2187

    Keitaro2187 Member Full Member

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    you have to dethrone the king idiots if floyd has been in a tie or number 1 with pacman and pacman got ko its no longer a tie.

    1-FMJ
    2-Marquez
    3-Ward
    4-Martinez
    5-Donaire
     
    Keitaro2187, Dec 9, 2012
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  4. Clarkson

    Clarkson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1 - Mayweather
    2 - Ward
    3 - Marquez
    4 - Martinez
    5 - Donaire
    6 - Pacquiao

    Big gap
     
    Clarkson, Dec 9, 2012
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  5. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Marquez
    2. Mayweather
    3. Ward
    4. Donaire
    5. Pacquaio
    6. Martinez
    7. Wladamir
    8. Bradley
    9. Mares
    10. Broner
     
    Collie, Dec 9, 2012
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  6. Jordan_Davies

    Jordan_Davies Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be honest I was kicking myself for putting Alvarez in there but right now hes the man at 154 (unless you count Trout but you could easily swap the two)

    As for Pacquiao not only did he look subpar against Mosley, lost to Marquez, all be it beat Bradley but was robbed he still looked subpar and now he got KTFO by Marquez. Despite looking the best he has in a while he still got knocked out badly and thats my reason for not having him in the p4p. if he comes back against someone credible hell be back but well just have to see

    As for Ward being where he is, im not a Ward fan but tried to see it as fair as i could

    Floyd - Undefeated, multiple division champion, holds dominant win over marquez

    Marquez - Multiple division champion, KO'd Pacquiao

    Martinez - Dominant Middleweight champ, has beaten Pavlik, Williams (2x), Macklin, Barker, Chavez and now fighting Murray

    Klitschko - Dominant Heavyweight champion, would be higher if not for his recent quality of opposition

    Donaire - Multiple weight division champion, good names on his scalp and unified the division hes in with great win over Nishioka

    Ward - Unified WBC/WBA titles but failed to moved up to 175 for Dawson and although dominant in his division has shown question marks in some areas (chin, stamina) as well as the use of head in quite some bouts. only fighter in super six to stay at home

    Garcia? hes unquestionably the best 140 pounder and holds wins over Morales (all be it past it but stil tough) Khan and will destroy Judah. He will be replaced with Mathysse if he loses to him though

    Also your questioning my list? you got Bradley in yours :lol: The dude made a career of Headbutting and fighting bums and past it fighters only to get a dodgy decision against Pacquiao
     
    Jordan_Davies, Dec 9, 2012
    Jordan_Davies, Dec 9, 2012
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  7. jmecor64

    jmecor64 Member Full Member

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    1. Marquez - arguably 4 wins over manny. 1 brutal ko win.
    2. Donaire - 3 fights in 6 mos. against top 5 122'ers
    3. Martinez
    4. Ward
    5. Mayweather - too inactive!
    6. Wlad
    7. Viloria
    8. Mares
    9. Froch
    10. Pacquiao
     
    jmecor64, Dec 9, 2012
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  8. ImElvis666

    ImElvis666 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You seem to let your emotions cloud your judgement. You're clearly swayed by how much you like or dislike a fighter.

    Bradley has beaten Vazquez, Peterson, Campbell, Holt, Alexander and won a title at 147 against an undefeated Abregu. He lost to Pacman, who was recognised at p4p number 2 at the time. Not a hugely damaging loss to your credibility in fairness.

    What does being a dirty fighter or where you fight have to do with a p4p list?

    Don't take it so personally. I just gave my thoughts on your list.
     
    ImElvis666, Dec 9, 2012
    ImElvis666, Dec 9, 2012
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  9. Low blow

    Low blow Member Full Member

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    This one is pretty close. I may put Gamboa lower even though I love his fights. Broner is close to making the list too.
     
    Low blow, Dec 9, 2012
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  10. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bradley probably has a better resume than Garcia Witter, Peterson, Holt, Miguel Vasquez ( IBF 135 LBs champ) and Alexander vs Khan, Holt and Morales X2 only lose to then P4P number 2-4 depending on how you rate him.

    1. Juan Manuel Marquez
    2. Floyd Mather Jr
    3. Sergio Martinez
    4. Nonito donaire
    5. Manny Pacquaio
    6. Andre Ward
    7. Wladimir Klitstchko
    8. Brian Viloria
    9. Abner Mares
    10. Vitali Klitstchko
     
    weegriffin, Dec 9, 2012
    weegriffin, Dec 9, 2012
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  11. Keitaro2187

    Keitaro2187 Member Full Member

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    wlad should be lower way lower due to the fact that his competition is trash beyond trash 8-10. 6 is being generous

    if you dont have FMJ as your 1 number on your list your a ****ing hater and bias as hell and the rest of your list should not be taken seriously at all.
     
    Keitaro2187, Dec 9, 2012
    Keitaro2187, Dec 9, 2012
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  12. Jordan_Davies

    Jordan_Davies Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If anything ive swallowed my pride, I really dont like Andre Ward or Saul Alvarez but hes still on my list, just i dont see what hes done to deserve the top spot more than Donaire, Martinez, Marquez, Klitschko etc.

    As for Bradley he beat Alexander and Peterson no doubt good wins but he headbutted Devon and just swarmed on the inside however i think you may need to do some research

    Campbell was a no contest due to an "accidental" foul
    No title was on the line for the Abregu fight
    He backpeddled in the Pacquiao fight and hasnt fought since, I was tempted to drop floyd from the list due to inactivity but at least he actually won

    I can take criticism but honestly Bradley hasnt done nearly enough recently to deserve a p4p rating. He ducked Khan, Garcia knocked Khan out.
     
    Jordan_Davies, Dec 9, 2012
    Jordan_Davies, Dec 9, 2012
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  13. Devils Advocate

    Devils Advocate Standing Eight Count Full Member

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    If the premise is 'who could beat who' P4P, then Floyd has to be on top, seeing how he's already destroyed JMM.

    Here's my top 5

    Floyd
    Ward
    JMM
    Nonito
    Sergio

    6 through 10 I believe I'd have 'Da Problem' in there somewhere..... If the premise is who could beat who P4P. Although he's relatively inexperienced, I just don't see many beating him P4P....
     
    Devils Advocate, Dec 9, 2012
    Devils Advocate, Dec 9, 2012
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  14. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    I had Jmm higher than Manny before the fourth fight. His spectacular win puts him ahead of Floyd for now.

    1. Marquez
    2. Mayweather
    3. Martinez
    4. Ward
    5. Mares
    6. Donaire
    7. Wlad
    8. Pacquiao
    9. Froch
    10. Vitali/Bradley
     
    elchivito, Dec 9, 2012
    elchivito, Dec 9, 2012
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  15. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    I had Jmm higher than Manny before the fourth fight. His spectacular win puts him ahead of Floyd for now.

    1. Marquez
    2. Mayweather
    3. Martinez
    4. Ward
    5. Mares
    6. Donaire
    7. Wlad
    8. Pacquiao
    9. Froch
    10. Vitali/Bradley
     
    elchivito, Dec 9, 2012
    elchivito, Dec 9, 2012
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