More skilled: Eder Jofre or Ricardo Lopez

I would have to agree with the consensus, jofre is the p4p great of the 1960's and he proved himself against world class opponents. Ricardo could have moved up and challenged humberto, carbajal or arbachov and truly test his abilites on a p4p level, but he cared more about protecting his zero. Jofre looks impressive based on the footage of him that I have seen so far.

 

Yes, I know all of this, was just seeing how Mendoza would respond as most of his post was utter tosh

That's an interesting question. They'd be Thai, I'm sure. For sheer devastating force I guess Khaosai, Saensak and Moon (Korean!)

I guess anyway, off the top of my head, for Japan maybe Hamada. Very interesting question, any thoughts of your own?

EDIT: SHITE!!!! Pacquiao deserves a shout!!! Villaflor as well I guess, depending on whether you count Hawaii as 'eastern' or not. Tua is more 'Oceana' than Asian, although admittedly you said 'Eastern', so he'd be an acceptable shout.

 

:good The Saldivar fight by any chance?

 

I wish! Nah, it's the Aoki fight, more of it than Vic has and the knockdowns/stoppage :good

 

As you know, the rounded Oriental punchers are more accumulative hitters, the bangers more awkward and cumbersome freaks.

No Joe Louis or JMM's that I can think of OOH OOH Shozo Saijo?

 

One could say if Jorfe hit harder, then maybe Fighting Harda would have respected him a bit more. I disagree, in a pound for pound sense, Lopez hit harder. However, I can change my opinion If you have rare Jorfe footage, post it here. There is a DVD from Brazil on Jorfe that has some clips seldom seen in North America.

 

Pichit's awe-inspiring combinations make R.Lopez look like Mayorga.:yep

 

Pichit Sithbangprachan is a good shout actually :good

 

I will be sharing it with some people, cannot make it public. It's not on that DVD, most of the fight clips from that have been posted by Vic already :good

Harada was f'n nails, what is your point? Medel, another terrific puncher, couldn't dissuade him even when he was beating the **** out of him.

 

Watanabe and Gushiken were excellent composite punchers, certainly on Marquez' level(they could actually punch effectively on the front foot too for one thing)though both like the Mexican tended to neglect a complete\ point scoring jab.

Ohba too.Not quite as strong on the hooks, but better with the straight punches.

 

Gushiken is a good shout I didn't think of :good

I pushed Watanabe aside out of sheer bias and not wanting to give him much credit.

Ohba? Well, I guess you've touched on why I didn't consider him. Could get a bit ragged in full flow (as could Saijo admittedly, still take him for general form even if Ohba had the better jab and was the all-round better fighter)

 

Oh, ****.

Mr. McGrain terribly sorry. I seem to have forgotten the most offensively gifted Oriental fighter of all time. The lad in my avatar; Samart Payakaroon.

 

Jofre for me. Alan Rudkin jr gave me some footage of one of his losses to Harada, can't remember which one now, and it's insane, he is getting unloaded on heavily by Harada with punches in bunches and then all of a sudden he turns his man and starts to shellack him from unheard of angles with uppercuts and overhand rights, like inverted bolo punches, **** loads of them.

I'm probably not going to follow the pattern on here of saying it's not close, because that's not the case, if all things skillset are considered then Lopez clearly makes his case. His footwork, jab, and precision comes under the skill banner in a massively favourable way for him imo, but the skills I associate more so with this question are similar to those owned by Duran, that ability to shorten the distance and extend it within what are more or less the same motions and landing combinations of technically sound power punches all the while, those skills make Jofre one of the best skilled fighters of all time.

It is close in many aspects of the argument, and in some of them, Lopez may emerge the slight victor, but where it is not close is in the ability to implement and utilise skill up close, and Jofre was devastating there, and beautiful, no homo