Joe Murray joins Arnie

As would i!

Look, i'm not having a go at him and have met him and some of his fighters at fights before (including Joe Murray). Thoroughly nice guys indeed, posed for a photo and were more than happy to talk boxing with a mere fan of the sport.

I just think he's very limited as a trainer and doesn't really know how to adjust.

 

Im pretty sure murray trained out out moss side abc as an amateur

 

I think it's the way they set themselves to throw and like you say what they do to close distance.

I think they will always succeed up to a point and then struggle when they meet someone a bit more versatile- I think joes found a formula that works for him and he's obviously going to stick with it.

To be fair to him he's never really had anyone who looks top world class talent wise. With greatest of respect to the lads the look just short of word class ... Perhaps if he had a talent like Hatton then he'd enjoy similar success to billy graham.

Cardle will be really interesting because as an amateur he was a top mover, if he can retain that and add the inside smarts he's going to be superb.

 

Your probably right mate I'm not sure :good

 

Did enzo Calzaghe know how to adjust? I think he's a good coach - he's got a proven track record.

I think people are too quick to blame trainers.

 

Depending on how you look at the talent he's had.......either a good trainer who gets the best out of his stable or someone who fails to convert strong boxers to world level. Personally I think he's not had that world class fighter yet, it'll come soon though.

 

That's sort of what I feel... Anyone whose read or heard what enzo Calzaghe has to say about boxing and fitness will realise this was a pretty eccentric guy who seemingly said very little that was 'right' however he produced perhaps the greatest fighter of the last 20 years - plus Rees, plus pryce.

 

I think Gallagher has done well given the fighters he's had to work with. He hasn't had any genuinely quality fighters yet most of them have done well under Gallagher's tuition. He's not a perfect trainer but who is? If he had a fighter like Ricky Hatton, I think he'd be able to get them to a world title easily enough but he simply hasn't had that quality to work with. Macklin was his best fighter, who got robbed in a title fight and then moved to America.

So far, Gallagher has only had British/European level fighters and he's got them to that level. If they fail when they step up, the chances are it's because they aren't good enough rather than Gallagher leading them in the wrong direction.

That said, I think a couple of his fighters would be better off elsewhere. Not that Gallager is ruining them or anything, just that other trainers would suit their style better. Crolla is one of those fighters, I think.

 

My analysis of it too mate, you hear some of these guys like Enzo speak and disagree with 90% of what they say. Unlike you I aint been in boxing but pretty good at understanding/analysing any sport I care about and always felt Joe Calzaghe ignored tactics and fought on instinct. Like you say the other results of fighters from there would back this theory up rather than contradict it.

As far as JG I think he maybe has become over reliant on what was a successful method of fighting, but it's not like I'd say his fighters are massively underachieving.

 

This is a good move for Murray, to rebuild, re-focus and move forward with Arnie. #VivaBurmantofts

 

I think Joe Gallagher is having the same problem Freddie Roach has had with his fighters. He's a very good trainer with great knowledge of the sport and a fantastic ability to work out an opposition fighter's weaknesses.

That said, several high profile fighters have left him in the past year so. Macklin moved to America, John Murray pretty much fired him after the Mitchell fight, re-hired him and then fired him again. Now Joe Murray has gone elsewhere too.

He trains a lot of fighters and I think some of them are starting to feel they don't get enough of his time and aren't developing enough. JG himself has said that Murray was pissed off during the training camp for Mitchelll because he felt Gallagher was focusing on Macklin's fight with Sturm and not enough on him.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Crolla or one of the Smith brothers left soon too because Quigg is clearly his main man right now. I honestly think he's arguably the top trainer in the country (or certaintly one of them anyway) ,there's just clearly not enough of him to share around though.

 

i think it is a good move for Murray to move to Arnie's gym, to be honest i have never liked the way Joe Gallagher fighter's fight, the way they move forward in a straight line and block punches with their face, Crolla was a smart mover before and since has gone a backward step.

nothing against Joe Gallagher but i think going to Farnell is a good move for Murray and i hope Crolla sees this too.

Personally i think too much is done in sparring there is no need IMO for massive rounds of it, i think some fighter leave behind the desire in the gym.

 

I liked the look of Joe's early fights, He was very much like Hatton in his footwork. Using the in and out bounce to trouble his opponent and used his straight punches decently and put a nice left hook to body behind it. Nice up jab like Ricky's as well just needs to settle down in there and work off angles a little more. Backs out in a straight line which against better opponents will course him problems.

Seems like his lack of activity may of hindered his development and maybe lost his base. I think if Arnie can get him back to that early work and just build around it with bit of poise, setting shots up and being thoughtful in there defensively he could well mould him into a domestic champion in 12 months depending on how the division pans out of course.

 

3 Fights in Two years is diabolical for a fighter of his age and stage. Just watching some of him against Steve Gethin and he has some Hatton habits mixed with a little bit of Khan in way he resets. He seems to fight like his peers, just hope Arnie can get him working on the transitions after punching and settling down because he's a decent fighter.