According to this guy, Carl Froch is not an elite fighter! OKAAAY!

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  1. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calz is not elite. He never fought anyone worth a damn. He was life and death with 42 year old BHop and won a disputed decision despite throwing slaps for punches.

    BHop and RJJ were elite. Had Calz fought a non 40+ year old version of BHop/RJJ, he gets stopped.

    I think Froch fares okay (would lose but not stopped) with prime version of BHop and does considerably better versus prime RJJ than Calz would. Froch's granite chin :D
     
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  2. JoeAverage

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    Froch beat Pascal. Pascal beat Hopkins and Dawson.

    The only reason why Froch is not clearly number one in his division, and even higher p4p is that he is in a stacked division.
     
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    Pascal did not beat Hopkins he got a gift draw in the first fight and then lost the second.

    He was also lucky the cut occurred against Dawson as he was getting battered.
     
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  4. JoeAverage

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    So those excuses work..... but am I right in assuming that you think excuses are dumb in Vitaly vs Lewis? OR was "Lennox also lucky the cut occurred as he was getting battered"?
     
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    e·lite
    /iˈlēt/
    Noun
    A group of people considered to be the best in a particular society or category, esp. because of their power, talent, or wealth.


    So who considers Froch not to be one of the best in his 'category'?
     
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  6. JoeAverage

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    I agree.

    In tennis at least the 5 best male tennisplayers I consider elite. The 5 best female players I consider elite. The 5 best mixeddoubles I consider elite. The 5 best male doubles I consider elite. The 5 best female doubles I consider elite.

    In boxing, I consider the number 1 in each division elite, as well as the remaining in top 20-25 p4p.
     
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  7. Chappy112

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    Depends what you call elite but if you had Froch #10 in your p4p list I wouldn't call you crazy.
     
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    Proving you have your own definition of elite for boxing that isn't shared my most. So what?
     
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  9. JoeAverage

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    I doubt there exists a formal definition of elite in boxing. So my definition is as good as anyone else's.
     
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  10. Chappy112

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    What did Robert Garcia say about Froch?
     
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  11. JoeAverage

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    JoeAverage, Dec 29, 2012
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  12. Hermit

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    No. Proboxing is a small pool so your definition is way to inclusive. When you've been beaten by two in your division then it is hard to make a case that you are elite across 17 divisions.
     
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    A regular fighter can't adapt the way Froch does.
     
    Scar, Dec 29, 2012
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  14. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Dirrell must be an ATG then.

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  15. mani0

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    Difference was Lewis caused the cut with a punch not a head butt.
     
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