Johnson Ketchel knockdown set up fake

It doesnt look fake. However the quality of the video is terrible, so it can make the fake impression that the punch didnt land. Johnson saw the punch coming and tried to lean right to avoid being hit with the 100% power of the punch. Johnson is definitely wobbled after the punch. It would be pretty stupid to agree to risk of taking the powerful punch of Ketchel only to sell the 2nd fight better. I read recently, that Johnson later admitted that the punch thrown by Ketchel was the heaviest punch he (Johnson) was ever hit. He also stated that after the punch he hit Ketchel just few seconds later, he thought he killed Ketchel.

By the way, some time ago, people used to think that the punch known as "phantom punch" Ali hit Liston also was a fake punch. But now, there is on a YT a HD slo-mo of this punch, and it was legit and looks really devastating. If we had such a good video of Ketchel-Johnson, there wouldnt be any conspiracy theories about the punch.

 

This paper says Johnson was caught behind the ear, and still dazed as Ketchel was counted out. The knock down was legit.

[url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=lZxZAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nUkNAAAAIBAJ&pg=931,2474883&dq=ketchel+vs+johnson&hl=en[/url]

 

What video of the phantom punch looks devasting? No slow mo replay of the punch I've ever seen has it look any kinda devastating... If anything it solidifies my belief that liston wasn't that badly hurt if at all

 

Maybe not devastating, but it looks really solid. Ali was preparing to throw the short right hand, and then he saw Liston was throwing the jab. So Ali put the hands down and leaned backwards to avoid the punch. Then, when Liston missed the punch, and his whole weight was moving in Ali's direction, Ali countered him with a good right hand to the jaw. It wasnt a strong punch, but it was perfect timed and aimed in the Liston's jaw. But I agree that Liston rolling on the back, after taking a knee, was very suspicious. However when he got up, his legs were gone.

 

Dear old Nat Fleischer, in his books Black Dynamite and the Michigan Assassin refers to the KD with some doubt.

 

I honestly can't understand how anyone genuinely thinks that the knock down was legit. I'm not saying that Johnson wasn't hit by Ketchel, but you can clearly see before the punch lands that Jack is already on is way to the ground.

Also notice how Ketchel doesn't stand over him, while he's down, making it even more sceptical

 

With it being mw v heavy I think there was an agreement that Johnson wouldn't go all out. A chance for ketchel to show his skills at the highest possible level.

imo ketchel got a bit too big for his boots and caught Johnson with a good shot for a flash kd. Johnson decided enough was enough and ended affairs with one punch.

 

The film suggests that the KD was legitimate.

Ketchel strikes Johnson’s ear.

This kind of blow will upset a fighters balance, but is not the kind of detail that you would be likely to work into a staged scenario.

 

Thank you for saving me the time writing this. I agree with you.

 

In the vid it looks like Johnson started to go down before the punch landed but it's difficult to tell with the vid quality being poor :huh

 

Some rules for anybody wishing to stage a fight:

1. Keep the scenario simple.
2. Make the fight as short as possible.

If you want to make more money, then you need to call the round, which means a lot more rules like this!

 

I have a tape of that interview. Its great.

 

This.

One of the most suspicious looking knockdowns ever and some are claiming missing film frames? What is this the Zapruder film? There is no disputing Johnson was buckling before he ever got hit.

There is also no disputing that Johnson can be seen clearly carrying Ketchel, literally and figuratively, from very early on in the bout.

 

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