Breaking down Salido-Garcia through the lens of Garcia-Barros & Salido-Haya

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    What did you think of the Barros fight? The question that needs answering is how Mikey's going to stop Salido from coming in. No doubt he's a hard hitter and is very accurate, but he's not the most high-volume fighter and Salido has been through some very grueling wars of attrition. Sounds like you think he'll inevitably catch him coming in and keep him down?

    Thanks! :thumbsup


    Robert is a smart guy so he makes this doubly interesting. What did you think of the Barros fight though? Mikey looked troubled by some very basic maneuvers, and his textbook style seemed to backfire a bit, if that makes sense.

    Agreed on all points. I think that last point is a great one; Garcia is going to have to disrupt Salido's game, and we haven't seen him use those tactics to great effect before. The more I think about it, the more I think Mikey may need a stoppage to win, because round to round, it's hard to see him using angles so successfully that he curbs Salido's aggression. He's a good mover, but is he good enough a matador to deter the bull that is Salido? Because if not, he'll have a hard time beating him at his own game. We saw what Salido's willing to walk through to get his shots off, and it's heavier and higher in volume than what Mikey's given his opponents up to now.

    Exactly how I see it, great description. Salido will lead with a jab or a lead hook/right hand, Garcia will look to capitalize with a straight or hook of his own, and Salido will duck coming forward, changing levels to either dodge or roll with the punch, and throw his own bombs over the top. It's as if his opponents counters give him the split-second entry he needs to close the distance and unleash his own offense. Very tricky style.

    I share your concerns. I think he knows this is a do or die fight for his legacy. He can't underestimate Mikey, no way. I'm also a bit concerned due to his age, but I think he still has enough left to at least give it his all.

    Yeah Salido didn't come on until late in the first round. Like I said, his patience after the knockdowns really showed his defensive abilities. He can take 1 to land 2, but he can also take very few and get the stoppage.

    It's something similar to what we saw in the Lopez rematch. And to be honest, Lopez made a lot of improvements and made better use of his guard and didn't neglect his defense as blatantly on the inside as he did in the first fight. I think I'd even slightly favor that version of Lopez over Garcia.

    It was a good fight on its own. Thanks for checking it, let me know when you get around to Garcia-Barros!
     
  2. The Bane

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    Wouldn't it be hilarious if Salido got caught doping again. :lol:
     
  3. Bogotazo

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    Not really, no.
     
  4. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    I think so to, the kid is talented, but still a little rough around the edges, this is his "Step up" fight but I think its a big step IMO.

    Salido is on a high right now, I am sure he is going to make the most of this opportunity as well here.
    War no doubt, But I think the old man knows a few more tricks than the young pup.... and thats going to be the difference it will come down to ring smarts and experience rather than attrition
     
  5. saul_ir34

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    I do not see Salido winning many rounds unless he lands that looping right hand with consistency. A guy like Mikey is just too well schooled to allow that to happen often.

    Also people are bringing up Salido's power when I feel Mikey is the big puncher here. Once people feel Mikeys power they back off.

    Will Salido do the same? I dont think so and that is why I dont see this fight going more than the mid rounds. We saw what Mikey did when things got uncomfortable for him with Barros. He threw a leaping left hook that made Barros quit.

    If Mikey is everything I think he is he will make light work of Salido by countering him with straight shots that will drop Salido and probably stop him or make Salido go on the back foot to survive the fight.
     
  6. Bogotazo

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    But you think he'll dispose of Salido as easily? Salido is ten times the pressure-fighter Barros is. The reason I took a look at both of their last fights with the most stylistic similarity to each other is to see how they react; Salido to textbook punching, Mikey to sneaky pressure. Salido makes mistakes, but Mikey shows broader patterns of vulnerability.

    I just see a problem for Garcia keeping Salido on the outside. I'm quite shocked you think it will be so easy for Mikey, given the wars Salido has been in with Lopez (probably a harder hitter than Mikey) and the caliber of opponents he's been in with (went the distance competitively with Marquez, beat Guerrero, went the distance and dropped Gamboa). I've yet to see Mikey dominate a fight on the inside. Light work is quite the prediction.
     
  7. Bazooka

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    if he cant keep him at bay with the jab its going to be a long night for him and I agree with you here, I havent seen Mikey actually box behind that jab he does allow his opponents to work their way in and work on the inside.

    I like Salido here.... Want Mikey to win
     
  8. I1T2BOX

    I1T2BOX Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Got tickets for this fight...cant wait! I want Mikey to win but Salido is one tough ****er. Look at all the punishment he went trough against Juanma II. His ability to walk through fire and keep on coming might discourage Mikey, who's never really been out of his comfort zone.
     
  9. Bogotazo

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    BTW, Garcia fans can take comfort in the fact Marquez favors him to win.
     
  10. saul_ir34

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    Man Garcia has the best jab in boxing now. I think his strategy will be to pump the jab all night and have Salido desperately try to get in and run into something big. I disagree with you on JML being a bigger puncher. He just throws more and tries harder for the ko. Mikey has some serious pop man. I hope Salido does force him to open up more so people can see that.
     
  11. JDK

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    Garcia's corner is going to play a huge factor here too. Robert Garcia may be forced to choose to be either the push-forward trainer he usually is with his other fighters or be the big, protective brother. It will be interesting to see how he reacts if Siri brings his war hat with him.
     
  12. Bogotazo

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    I think it's a bit much to say he has the best jab in boxing. He has solid straight punches, but his lack of volume is what strikes me as odd. He doesn't pump it out consistently and looks a bit lost when an opponent jabs with him. We simply haven't seen it employed against top competition. Same with his power.

    Again, did you see the Barros fight? He seemed to have absolutely no problem getting inside on Mikey and pushing him back. I think Salido's pressure is very intelligent. I don't see Mikey simply having his way with him over 12 rounds. He might get a hard-fought decision or catch him with something big, but I don't see why people think he's going to keep Salido at bay with ease. Nobody ever has, aside from Juan Manuel Marquez in an era were Salido wasn't the pressure-fighter he is today.

    I think he's going to be both. He's probably going to encourage Mikey to throw so he doesn't have to see Salido walk in on him and hurt him. But one thing I do see is Robert Garcia not hesitating at all to throw in the towel should Mikey fall into deep waters.
     
  13. VBOX

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    Good read, thanks for the info. I have only seen Garcia against opponents that were somewhat out-gunned (which I don't think Salido will be) so I can't really make a serious prediction on this fight. Either way I am really looking forward to this fight because I love Salido's style and the limited footage I've seen from Garcia shows he can box.
     
  14. kirk

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    Im glad you joined the league Bogo.... :good After I seen this thread when you made it I wanted to say man you should join the prediction league, you seem like a good prospect :)lol:) but I dont like to advertise like that or whatever, if people wanna join they will join. So glad you did. Your threads are some of the few positives in the general forum :good
     
  15. stevekaradeniz

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    lol

    he;s fighting katsidis next