Fastest World Heavyweight Champion ever

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  1. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IF i was to think of a Heavyweight which would be fleetfooted enough & strong enough to compete in a long distance endurance race. Really two fiighters come to mind. Cassius Clay & Floyd Patterson. Although Joe Frazier was dedicated to his roadwork & had very strong legs.
     
  2. fists of fury

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    My pick would certainly be one of the lighter guys over 10 miles...someone like Patterson or Fitz. Rocky was light enough and darn fit, but he had those short, stubby legs and a build not conducive to long distance running. So for me even though he is fit enough to do it (and did) in a race, he'd be battling to keep up with the longer, leaner guys.

    I'd also look a light (sub 210) version of Ali to do well.
     
  3. Top Dog

    Top Dog Boxing Addict Full Member

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    WTF, boxers should not be running 10 miles, what a load of nonsense, silly topic. Slow running makes you slow, simple as that. So let's get this right, you box for 3 minutes at a time, with a rest of a minute, so the best way to train is by running for approx 1.5 hours at a slow pace, yeah mmm some how I dont think so. :nut:lol:
     
  4. janitor

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    Speed isn't worth two buckets of warm spit over distances of 10 miles plus.

    The average speed is verry low at all but the most elite levels and it is down to endurance and pacing yourself as you say.

    In a half marathon the smart competitors let all the heroes run ahead and tire themselves out then pass them in the last five miles.

    I would certainly give a strong edge to fighters like Marciano and Jeffries who regularly ran such distances in training.
     
  5. janitor

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    Its what fighters have been doing for the past 200 years.

    Don't get me wrong, the argument does come up from time to time that roadwork is not apropriate for boxers, but it is conspicuous that fighters who buy into the new orthodoxy always seem to tire down the stretch.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    How far do you run? Over a longer distance you maybe more competitive. You probably have less power in your legs and perhaps your not a natural athlete, perhaps they play football more than you for instance and have done more running. There are many factors that go into it. Obviously its a power-size ratio, but for each extra 1lb bodyweight you will run 5seconds slower over a mile on average.

    Either way imagine carrying 100lbs on your back when running and imagine who detrimental it would be to your running time. Its simple physics at the end of the day, the more mass you carry the slower you become. Plus the heavier you are the more oxygen your body needs to fuel muscles so you tire faster.

    BTW 10mile running isn't optimal to HW training in my view, a primed runner's VO2 max (maximal oxygen concentration, ie stamina) is achieved over a maxed out 5k/3 Miles, and boxers being heavier it is probably over a shorter distance. Anything more is an exercise in muscle endurance rather than stamina
     
  7. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It is interesting that the favourites so far seem to be guys like Fitz and Marciano. The evolution theory doesnt seem to be as strong and noone seems the least bit perturbed by the Olympic Games theory. I am not up on figures but as i understand it, many of todays high school runners would have been quite competitive with the olympic runners of yesteryear, particularly from Fitz' era. Is it possible that this suggests that the older runners like Fitz might struggle to keep pace with some of the modern fighters even if Fitz trained in this type of running more Frequently? I dont think it would work this way, as i would do the correlation to the training, but i thought that quite a few others would insist modern fighters couldnt be beaten.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    I'd pick Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather to beat Fitz/Marciano over a 10miles run very comfortably. Fitz is not particularly quick over 10miles from what I've read. The bottom line is big men can't run 10k effectively. The bigger they are the slower they will be.

    As a teenage WW I was closing in on a 4miniute mile, later in my 20s I was a ripped to shreds 190lbs and was killing myself to get near 5miniutes. And going for 10miles my pace would drop off remarkably from what it once was and I'd end up with bruised/blistered feet and be unable to run for days. Most boxers just use roadwork as moderate exercise, Fitz included looking at his mile times, and don't push for personal records, but then again they are boxers and not distance runners.
     
  9. janitor

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    The depressing thing about distance running is that however much effort you put in there is always some 76 year old bloke who can trash your best effort.
     
  10. ThinBlack

    ThinBlack Boxing Addict banned

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    Larry Holmes, or Tim Witherspoon, two ex-football players.
     
  11. dyna

    dyna Boxing Junkie banned

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    I've read Corrie Sanders doing the 100 meters extremely fast.

    10.9 seconds.

    That's only 10% slower than Usain Bolt.

    In the 2012 olympics he would have finished faster than the number 8.
    Extremely fast guy considering he never trained like those guys
     
  12. GladiatoR

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    He doesn't do roadwork, he swims for his cardio as a man his size running would play havoc on his knees.
     
  13. Masamune

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    Must be Marciano - if you read Everett M Skeehans biography of the Rock his training regime was brutal by anyones standards .

    him and long time friend allie columbo would start the day running several miles throwing a football to each other - then they would speedwalk to the CYO and later stillmans gym labour all day under charlie goldmans expert eye and then afterwards go the local pool and throw combinations under water to build up his leverage - if it was a windy evening he'd be out the door sprinting into strong headwinds .

    at 185 pounds the Rock could do a fast 10 mile standing on his head .
     
  14. FlyingFrenchman

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    Holyfield or Roy Jones Jr.
     
  15. FlyingFrenchman

    FlyingFrenchman Active Member Full Member

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    Wouldn't be surprised if Wladimir Klitschko or Rocky Marciano won though. Who knows?