Calzaghe vs Ward, who wins?

This like me is just an opinion, but unlike you, I can put forward an arguement.
Froch has had a tough career also, and possibly took as many hard flush shots as Eubank, as well as being older. Also Froch never fought a big CW like Eubank did, so once again, your point lacks credit.
Not sure why you are saying Calzaghe didnt have the power to floor Eubank, he put him down twice.
Once again Dino, your post is full of mistakes :-(

 

Why are yoiu changing the subject to Froch. I said nothing about Froch, but no way did he have as hard a career as Eubank. Thats why he is still fighting fit today because he never got busted up bad. Kessler/Eubank doesn't require an argument. Its simpile logic he is the better win as i have proved in my last few posts.

 

You havent proved anything atsch:-(

Here are facts below

Still compare the wins
It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

Ward won at home
Calzaghe won away

When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

Kessler was 31
Eubank was 31

Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

Kesslers only loss was clear
Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

Kessler was favourite to win.
100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.

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Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye.

I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury


Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss

 

Hahahaha. You cut and pasted your fist post to me post as a response. An active winning fighter who is still competing in the biggest fights in the world is a better win than weight drained fighter who never won again before retiring. Its as simple as that. No debate required. Simpile undeniable logic.

 

Landing punches wins rounds, not throwing more...ward has shown he can adapt style....calzaghe fights one way, ward would make it ugly I think Joe has the center ring advantage....calzaghe is not a great nfighter and war has better defense....ward wins a close competitive fight

 

Ward losses to
prime Calzaghe
Prime Benn
Prime Eubank
Prime RJJ
Prime McCullam
Prime Toney
Prime Gerald McClenan
at SMW

 

What other guys were his mandatorys back then?

 

To be fair, I think Eubank did enough to beat Thompson in the first fight, so its a bit of a diservice to him to write him off because he ended his career with three losses, so I think it has to be recognized that Eubank was a good scalp to have at that time as well - not a great one but still a good, respectable win.

That said, I'd probably rate Ward's win over Kessler above Calzaghe's win over Eubank as well, for a similar reason to the one I used to justify ranking Ward's win over Froch ahead of Calzaghe's win over Eubank, though, I have to say, Kessler's recent record leading up to his fight with Ward was hardly a list of who's who in the division - a loss to Calzaghe followed by wins over Sartison, Haussler and Perdomo - so he was hardly winning fights at the highest level when he stepped in there against Ward - but his subsequent victories did legitimize Ward's victory over him as being very good.

 

Thanks for that excellent post Bailey, it seems like so many respected figures in the fight game were served a huge slice of humble pie with the Calzaghe v Jones fight.

Calzaghe's adaptability and high ring IQ seems to be the deciding factor in so many of his fights, he seems to take a couple of rounds to work his opponents out and then he adjusts, finds the blueprint and puts on a show for the fans.

I remember predicting that Calzaghe would beat Jones but i was worried about how Joe would handle fighting at 175 and if his hand problems would be resultant in him not carrying enough power at the weight. I also thought it was a mistake for Calzaghe to fight on foreign territory because you here about all these robberies that occur.

It wasn't the fact that Joe won a decision that surprised me though, it was how emphatic the performance was, I didn't expect such a comprehensive victory, I didn't expect the gap between the boxing ability of the pair to be so huge. Was a fantastic performance from Joe all things considered.

 

Thats the way i see it and Kessler isn't done yet either, he might have another 3-4 years in him and rack up an even more impressive win streak post Ward loss.