How much do you think Adam Booth can improve Aydin and Lee's game?

I have been watching the TV, while doing work, aswell as responding to this thread....

I think i have got DrMO & your comments mixed up. I was just skimming the thread quickly, not bothered to look who actually made the posts.

I very rarely read the whole posts, and just read what i can be bothered reading.

Note: I am still going to knock you spark out, with a low guard. My issue is not with DrMO, my issue is still with you.

 

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I post them with considerable ease (unlike you)

 

So you're basically a complete ****wit who's incapable of checking who he's replying to, who also got proven utterly wrong? Good to know. Your delusional **** is as boring as always.

You couldn't knock me out if you tried. You know why? Because we're on the internet and that's the only place you've got any spine.

 

Sorry to bring him into another thread, but for some time I thought Craney was a PK alt, with posts like the one above, you can see why I came to this opinion I'm sure?

Both arrogant, deluded, TWATS.

 

I am not bothered if i have been proven wrong, i was half heartily involving myself in this thread, and it has been abit of a laugh.

I stated that if we where to ever meet inside a boxing ring, i would spark you out with a low guard.

I never said anything about the internet.

 

I think fighters should start off by learning the fundamentals. If they turn out to be that gifted athletically, maybe they can use a low guard, if they can master that style. With a high guard, obviously you're better protected. Just because you have the gloves up doesn't mean you can't slip, lean back, use distance, bob and weave to avoid punches. You can still do all of that, but if the punches do land you've got some protection. In certain situations it's also better for countering. For example, after a bob and weave when you wanna throw a hook. The punches would have less distance to travel also.

With the low guard, the main disadvantage is obvious, but with good control of distance, good reflexes and upper body movement you can get away with it. Still, if you come across someone that's unpredictable, hard to read and fast, then what if your reflexes are not good enough to avoid the attacks? The punches obviously have a further distance to travel from a low guard position, but if you're faster than your opponent, again you can get away with it. There is another way of looking at it though. The advantage is you're not pulling back to generate power. For example, if you want to throw an uppercut. From a high guard you would have to pull back before throwing. Like loading up before firing. If the hands are low, you can just throw, without having to pull back to generate power. Punches would also be coming from below the opponents eye line and this could cause problems for him if he's not used to it. Sometimes during sparring I've had trouble with jabs when they have come from a low hands position. I think having the hands low may also tempt your opponent to commit more. They see an open target and load up, over commit, you make 'em miss and bang! Good for counter punching I think.

It has it's advantages but if I was a boxing coach I personally wouldn't let my fighters use this style until they had mastered the basics.

 

I thought Adam Booth wanted to retire and get out of boxing when his current crop finish up. Now he's taking on more fighters?


I don't really know how to assess Booth, I think he ****ed up the tactics of the Wlad flight. I actually think he puts too much stock in tactics.

He is a confident S.O.B. all the same and it would be good if some of that rubbed off on Lee. I can see Lee taking a few beating without Stewart protecting him all the same.

 

Sorry for late reply mate..

Basically the low held guard and looser held guards were used in the 30's 40's 50's etc (as well as the full guard). In this country and in Europe we're a tad more conservative and like to hold hands higher so Watt's bred into that line of thought. The coaching textbooks were more about higher hands being the way to go. You still see that in our fighters a lot today although you do get fighters now copying the shoulder roll etc. The coaching is a bit rigid and runs on the tried and trusted and that's what the full guard brings.

Booth likes to offer a little to get a lot. IE. Loose low held guard offers chances for the opponent who will lead off but also with the low held guard you can punch and create more angles and counter better. It's a risky game but Booth likes it and it's effective.

The higher held guard picks off a lot more punches and lessens risk and allows you to stand ground slightly more and even edge closer then low held guards. The jab can be set in motion, But then likes of Froch like the low held left because they can create more angle for the jabs.

Then he eats more right hands because it's a seem for it so both have there advantages and negatives like football a formation will have strengths yet have weaknesses but it's all about how you cover the weaknesses up. The lower held guard though is for more talented fighters who have a special quality and characther inside ring. I wouldn't ask someone who's not comfortable in own skin (in ring) to move from the hips and show me the shoulder and work them angles . You just got to know what your working with. I'd say coaching the full guard is more easier...

So it's not exactly a old school vs new school thing in world boxing terms but it's more British/European type old school coaching. Although there's obviously some American trainers who prefer higher held guards as well.

For me it's all about the fighters and there attributes and ring characther. In this country i've been to Am gyms and they do not like a low held guard i can only think because it's from pro game in there opinion and not the norm and comes across cocky.

People think having hands up means your safe, it doesn't. You can put the ear muffs on and still get KTFO.

Edit: I also feel a weakness with the full guard is fighters a lot nowadays don't parry and slip within it they just block and when you block a lot of fighters sometimes will hook and turn you with the hook now if you slipped it you could counter it etc.

 

I notice a lot of fighters using a low guard struggle with pressure fighters who throw lots of punches.

 

Excellent analysis.

The Haye/Maccarinelli fight, a perfect example.

 

it does seem to **** up their wiring sometimes. Like when a fighter throws a jab they can counter it, but when he's throwing combos it's like "the **** is this? i'm not programmed to handle this many punches"

 

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Fair point about the Valuev fight, but Haye didnt land a good left hook until the 12th round. After he broke his right hand in the 3rd/4th round Haye didnt have a great jab or a great left hook to rely on.

Haye has always been too focused on loading up on his right hand; his whole setup, from his stance to his footwork.

 

At risk of upsetting Mo and Miguel, yes, I do. Brook is, for me, the epitome of fighters who think they can use a low-hand guard because they have massive advantages at domestic level. Their speed and athleticism carry them through quite often.

Against Jones, Brook was facing a guy he couldn't put away, who was throwing lots of punches at him, and wasn't giving him the room he likes to operate in. A more fundamentally sound fighter, who can use different types of guard, would have brought his hands up and presented less of a target. Because Brook lacks that sort of schooling, he ended up getting hit too much when he got tired.

I use Floyd Mayweather Jr as an example a lot, because he s supremely adaptable. Look at the Judah fight:

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He starts off struggling with Judah's speed and his hands are out of position to respond either defensively or offensively. Then look at how he comes out in the 10th round - he's got his hands up to do two things: encourage Judah to target the body, which lets Floyd land his straight right, and to reduce the risk from Judah zipping punches in from odd angles.

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