I am interested on some serious thoughts about how great Walker is. I am seeing him included in some P4P top 10 lists, while I have in the past placed him about 15+ or so. This seems consistant with the ESB forum P4P results that we did about 2 years ago where Walker was around 17. Does he have a good argument for top 10, can it be argued to place him ahead of Moore, Duran, Gans etc. Where do you place him and why??? ESB P4P results and link http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?p=11083374&posted=1 1. 1127 Sugar Ray Robinson (34) 2. 677 Harry Greb (7) 3. 633 Henry Armstrong (2) 4. 542 Sam Langford (8 ) 5. 277 Ezzard Charles 6. 246 Roberto Duran 7. 239 Muhammad Ali (1) 8. 179 Bob Fitzsimmons (2) 9. 157 Willie Pep 10. 142 Benny Leonard (1) 11. 118 Sugar Ray Leonard 12. 65 Joe Louis 13. 64 [tie] Pernell Whitaker 13. 64 [tie] Archie Moore 15. 46 Joe Gans (1) 16. 40 Roy Jones Jr. 17. 30 Mickey Walker 18. 22 Charles Burley 19. 20 Tommy Hearns 20. 19 Barney Ross 21. 18 Packey McFarland 22. 17 Floyd Mayweather Jr. 23. 14 Salvador Sanchez 24. 13 [tie] Marvin Hagler 24. 13 [tie] Sandy Saddler 26. 10 Barbados Joe Walcott 27. 7 Jimmy Wilde 28. 6 Kid Gavilan 29. 5 [tie] Rocky Marciano 29. 5 [tie] Eder Jofre 29. 5 [tie] Gene Tunney 29. 5 [tie] Manny Pacquiao 33. 4 [tie] Julio Cesar Chavez 33. 4 [tie] Carlos Monzon 33. 4 [tie] Jimmy Bivens 36. 2 Terry McGovern 37. 1 [tie] Tony Canzoneri 37. 1 [tie] Alexis Arguello 37. 1 [tie] Ike Williams 37. 1 [tie] Jack Johnson 37. 1 [tie] Evander Holyfield 38. 1 [tie} Ruben Olivares
I have him #12 behind Pep and it's no doubt to me he was overshadowed by Greb and the much bigger popular heavyweight scene which he ventured, despite his numerous HOF wins. There is a post that perfectly illustrates him somewhere in classic. he's been getting a lot of attention recently :good
I loved it. Greb really turned me on to looking into the forgottens like Walker, Rosenbloom (200+wins and like 16 KOs!) Loughran, Flowers etc who most likely were second fiddle to Greb and then champ Dempsey as far as praise is spread out. You really learn to appreciate theit depth of resume.
Can you imagine if that was the only footage we had on Walker ? Like they do with the Greb sparring footage some fans would say "look, Walker was amateurish!"
I did Benny Leonard's. Should I post it? I admit, I finished it last night -- when I was sleepy as tits!
good stuff. i got walker around top 15. i've always held the greb loss and the controversy of the flowers wins a bit too much against him...it's unfair and he's just fantastic on record and even the footage of him is solid
By all means my man. I wish I had the RING mag documenting the best 80 ifghters of the last 80 years.
I really only have Whitaker higher, Ross lower, Fitz Higher, Ray Leonard Lower and Walker lower, which with all the attention he is getting I think my #12 spot is justified :yep something like... 1. Ray Robinson 2. Harry Greb 3. Hank Armstrong 4. Sam Langford 5. Ezzard Charles 6. Muhammad Ali 7. Ben Leonard 8. Roberto Duran 9. Archie Moore 10. Bob Fitzsimmons 11. Willie Pep 12. Mickey Walker 13. Ray Leonard 14. Barney Ross 15. Joe Gans 16. Joe Louis 17. Pernell Whitaker