Who has the better SMW title resume... A Ward or S Collins?

Thank you for adding 20 pages to this thread. The Calzaghe/Ward topic should get a sticky like the TKO6 thread.:good

 

Evening pal, all is well, busy but good. How are you?

Don't get me wrong, Reggie Johnson was a good fight to make, but did it have to be Reggie or Steve? Why not both? With Roy's HBO contract, he could have fought anyone he wanted

Yeah I saw John's posts earlier, it's great to have someone in the game like him posting on here giving us the truth. Once the fight was announced at 168, it was game over for Chad. He's a big LHW, and an excellent fighter,at 168 Dawson was a dead man walking. It was a devastating loss, it will take a lot for Chad to bounce back from that

When has a fighter come down in weight for a big fight and been successful in the long term?

 

knockout artist,

Great mate, thanks.

Well at that specific time, Reggie was the fight to make. Collins was supposed to be fighting Calzaghe again, with the winner potentially facing Roy. But Collins apparently was knocked out by Howard Eastman in sparring, and he was forced to retire. If Collins had actually fought at 175, then he may have became a mandatory to Roy. I think if he'd have held a major belt, Roy would have taken he fight.

I see it like this. At 168, Steve's WBO belt wasn't enough to entice Roy into a fight. Roy couldn't deal with King to unify, and despite Steve been a great fighter, his belt was worthless back then in the mid 90's.

Then Roy moved up to 175, but Steve didn't. So he was pursuing a guy that wasn't even in his weight class. He'd have probably had more success following him up to 175, rather than getting into the ring with him. Boxing is a business. After Frazier, HBO put a list of four fighters up, and Collins obviously wasn't one of them. If he hadn't have climbed into the ring, his name would never have been mentioned. It would be like a retired 140 fighter getting into the ring with Floyd after a fight a 147, and demanding a fight. It would be instantly dismissed.

Yeah I love reading his posts. I can't believe that he hadn't eaten for a full day, and had to suck a little bit of juice out of a grapefruit, and he'd done a 50 min run on the treadmill, and been in the sauna.

That's why I always stick up for Roy.

He was nearly 35, and he'd had 50 fights, when he came back for Tarver. He came from 199 pounds down to 175 for the weigh in, with around 14 pounds of that weight actual muscle. It was a huge ask of his body. Chad's issues really put things into perspective.

 

I agree that there were too many butts in that fight but I dont think Ward is a dirty fighter.

Collins could be very naughty at times too, probably more than Ward tbh.

 

Nope,it was in 1999, after the Frazier fight.
Do you really think fighting a guy who had been retired for 2 years and who had never fought in your weight division would have be a credible fight for Jones????

As for when Jones beat McCallum and Johnson.

McCallum was past his best,but he had held the WBC title up until the year previously.

And Johnson, he beat when Johnson was reigning 175 IBF champ.

 

Eubank himself would be the first to admit that he was never the most talented, the quickest or the strongest fighter. He attributes his successes to perseverance.

But to imply that Eubank had nothing going for him as a pro-boxer and to act as if Eubank wasn't a very good Middleweight and Super Middleweight with good names on his resume and a damned successful career and thus was not a good scalp for others to have on their resume puts your judgement as a neutral and unbiased observer into question.

 

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Spanish horseman. 9 letters.

 

You've gotta be shitting me dood..... You trying to downplay the entire SuperMid division to downrate Ward?

Every boxing analyst has said the SuperMid divsion has been stacked for the past 5 years! Why else do you think they did a 3 year tournament anyhow? They knew the boxers' names would carry this long-term tournament through the years.

You think they'd do this in some random division with a bunch of no-namers? Come on now!!! Get real