B-Hop: What weaknesses has he seen in Calzaghe

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  1. MON

    MON Active Member Full Member

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    Hate to break it to you, but he lost.

    Out of interest, after seeing his tactics not work in the first fight as the judges didn't score it for him.......why did he then fight the same way the second time and if anything, lose worse than the first time?

    What sort of ring general and genius has the tactic of dropping the first 7 rounds, winning the next 5 clearly and thinking that wins you the fight??
     
    MON, Mar 26, 2008
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  2. MON

    MON Active Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe doesn't lose against any sort of stance.

    If Calzaghe throws a cluster of 10 slaps, do you really think Hopkins will counter 10 times? He doesn't have the speed to counter everytime Joe throws, nor the stamina.
     
    MON, Mar 26, 2008
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  3. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, he didn't say that Hopkins won the fights on the scorecards. He said that Hopkins outboxed JT in both fights and gave four factors that he used to measure them. I think there is a difference.
     
    klion22, Mar 26, 2008
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  4. MON

    MON Active Member Full Member

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    Oh, so Hopkins tactic is to outbox Joe, but lose on the cards??

    Genius....

    Somebody tell Joe, he can't compete with tactics like that. I bet Joe being the fool that he is, is planning to win on the cards!!!
     
    MON, Mar 26, 2008
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  5. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, wouldn't you say, "not get hit" is part of "defense"? :lol:
     
    klion22, Mar 26, 2008
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  6. Sebastien

    Sebastien Active Member Full Member

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    He won't have to counter 10 times, he'll counter the first 1-2 slaps and that'll be it. When Hopkins counters he doesn't stay in your face for you to try to hit him with some more.

    He'll slide to the left, land the straight right from the back foot.

    Holding, moving, pivoting, whatever. Nard will time his punches, disrupt Calzaghe's rythm, and force him to reduce his punch output dramatically.
     
    Sebastien, Mar 26, 2008
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  7. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Of course not. But his style is such that he can outbox a guy over 12 rounds and lose on the scorecards because he's so selective with his punches.
     
    klion22, Mar 26, 2008
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  8. MON

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    He won't beat Calzaghe like that. Joe will win rounds purely on volume of punches and aggression.

    If we're being realistic, Hopkins can only win this fight by holding, frustrating Joe with his clinching, rabbit punches, headbutts and look to land punches on the break.

    That's his only chance, won't work though, will be about 118 - 110 to Calzaghe.
     
    MON, Mar 26, 2008
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  9. Sebastien

    Sebastien Active Member Full Member

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    Yes.

    You may be busy, but busy doing ineffective ****... that's excactly what Taylor was doing, hitting air, running after Hop.

    Hopkins landed the best punches in every round. The punches that Taylor landed were "technically" landing, i.e. touching Hopkins' skin... they were not "really" landing, i.e. hitting Hopkins.

    There is a difference between touching and hitting. I don't recall Taylor hitting Hopkins flush, except once or twice in the second fight (with jabs).

    How can you win a fight when you're not landing anything? When few punches land, you look at the quality of those that did land, and you look at stuff like who's controlling the action, who's imposing his fight on the other, who's exhibiting the best defense, etc.
     
    Sebastien, Mar 26, 2008
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  10. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're good. I can tell you're a true Hopkins fan like i am because you know Hopkins well. You're right, JT landed some crisp jabs in the 2nd fight but i don't think he landed one flush right hand lead in either fight.
     
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  11. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    He got confused when the contracts were being drawn up and thought he was signing to fight Enzo Calzaghe.

    And he's about the size of opponent that Pops like to fight, plus he's white, so no problem.
     
    Cobbler, Mar 26, 2008
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  12. Loco LeftHook

    Loco LeftHook potent punching prince Full Member

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    sloppy joe will eat right hand counters all night...the occasion will get to joe and he will be wild and play right into hops plan.
     
    Loco LeftHook, Mar 26, 2008
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  13. Sebastien

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    Yes, I think deep down Calzaghe will want to make it a crowd pleasing fight. He's said it many times, he wants to feel the appreciation of the public Hatton received... seems to be a big reason he decided to take the fight.

    Hopkins doesn't give a **** about the crowd; which may or may not be a good thing depending on how you look at it.

    I think Calzaghe will find himself in the following situation: punches not landing, can't throw that many punches (couple of 1-2s but nothing beyond 2 punches) because Hopkins is always moving. He'll have to wrestle with Hopkins and Hopkins' probably got much stronger upper body than Calzaghe, will be stronger in the clinches.

    When Calzaghe realized he was in a boring/ugly fight with Bika he started talking unecessary risks and got countered with the straight right a lot. Hopkins is 10X the counterpuncher Bika is (and I,m being nice to Bika).
     
    Sebastien, Mar 26, 2008
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  14. klion22

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    I just hope that Hopkins has his legs like he did against Winky. If he doesn't have his legs, he will be in trouble. And at his age, father time can catch up at any time.
     
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  15. Sebastien

    Sebastien Active Member Full Member

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    He should be ok. He'll probably be stronger because of the extra 5 lbs.

    I actually thought that he looked a lot weaker at 170, lot less snap in his punches than vs. Tarver.

    The Mackie regimen should do the job!
     
    Sebastien, Mar 26, 2008
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