When people say "modern training" what do they mean?

Genetic selection can happen pretty fast but not that damn fast. It usually takes 5 or 6 generations in simple organisms to achieve such non-life essential results as punching power or athletic stamina/ Camouflage coloring, resistance to a certain disease or adaptation to a new diet... that **** can happen pretty fast.

 

'modern' training, as opposed to ten years ago, let alone 100, offers athletes who properly utilise sports science small % improvements from their physical training, i.e better recovery times

thats about it though, nothing related to the tehnical side except more padwork (and i'm not sure that has much benefit.)

IMO other factors like the quality of the trainer and the athletes motivation are far more relevant than the era the training was taking place in.

 

There isn't just modern training but the benefit of ex-pros from great eras as trainers, that is somewhere I believe the sport progressed from the 40s through to the 90s and dropped off over the last 15 years massively. Technical boxers have become pretty rare over the past 15 years and more mistakes are made generally

Every block? Not sure about that but the talent pool argument is significant. In the 40s-80s more Americans boxed, now there are more Soviets and Latinos

On the flip side pre-1920s boxing was largely illegal across the US. So the talent pool was probably very low pre-1920s given it was an illegal activity

 

I think you're overestimating MMA's pull, and some of those people will end up boxing anyway. I feel like boxing has been getting more popular over the last five years, coinciding with MMA's popularity. I don't really think that's a very significant factor though.

I do suspect that the changes in boxing globally have made boxing as accessible as it's ever been, especially professionally. (If you want to box, you can, in other words.)

My big point though, is that more genetic freaks are being born because the population is getting bigger and if those people go into boxing, which is now possible on almost any part of the earth, they can create the illusion that "modern training" is making them what they are. Tyson, for example, was built that way. But a person like Tyson might not have been born in 1900 simply because there were fewer chances for that to happen genetically, and if that person were born in 1900 in Nigeria or who knows where, he might not be boxing.

 

I didn't mention evolution, you did.

Here, I'll give you a dumbed down version so you can understand the basic concept.

One in every ten fish born has three eyes.

If 40 fish are born, 4 will have three eyes.

How many fish will have 3 eyes if 60 fish are born?

 

you're right, but I don't think this is really happening in humans.

 

Maybe. I live in the middle of White Trash Heaven. There is an MMA gym on every corner... and a meth lab. So, perhaps my perspective is skewed.

Great point.

 

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Yeah ok moron, but remember Greb also got beat by Tunney. The gap in class is not so overwhelming. Greb also got beat by other kids. You don't have a point here. (I hope this is about Greb as I cba going to your previous comment).

Yeah, I watched a great display of skill that Greb's era has never seen nor dreamed of.

Bob Fitz at the end of his career...oh what, when he weighed approx 170?

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Still doesn't compare.

Bob Fitzsimmons is most likely in my top 10, but he would get eaten up by an 80's Hagler for example.

 

Meh, having said all of this...I do think steroids was prevalent in the 80's for example..
Carlos De Leon started at 135lbs and finished at 210lbs! hahaha!

 

In 1923, there were 1,654 boxers licensed by the New York State Athletic Commission. In 1925, there were 1,890.

In 1927, there were more than 2,000 licensed boxers in New York alone, and there were over 900 shows promoted throughout out the state.

In 2006, New York licensed just 50 boxers and staged 38 shows.

Between 8,000-10,000 boxers were licensed annually in the US during the 1920s and 1930s; by the 1950s those numbers had fallen to @ 5,000-6,000 annually.

In 2006, @ 2,850 boxers were licensed in the US, and the number of shows in the US, Canada, and Puerto Rico combined was 906...which is almost identical to New York alone in 1927.