What do you think the "No Mas" reveal might be in the new "Hands of Stone" movie?

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I remember reading an interview of Roberto Duran conducted some years ago in which the interviewer really tries to get at his reasons for quitting in the Leonard rematch. Duran says some of the usual things (weight problems, knowing there would be a rematch), but also says "one day I want my life to be on the big screen. I want to wait for that to happen to tell the whole story". I always thought that was an odd thing to say, as there doesn't seem much more there could be to it.

    But then, as you all know there is a highly anticipated biopic coming out entitled "Hands of Stone". I've seen several places, most notably the description on the movie's facebook page, with this tagline:

    "The infamous 'no mas' fight is the biggest enigma in the history of boxing. This movie will answer that enigma". Jonathan Jakubowicz Writer & Director

    This leads me to the question: what in the world can be so compelling about Duran's reasons for quitting in the Leonard rematch that we don't already know that it's going to be a focal point of the movie's plot? Is it some secret Duran has been waiting to tell for personal reasons? Could it be something more than just stomach cramps, under-training, and frustration with Leonard's antics? Or is it just a selling point for broad audiences unfamiliar with the otherwise well-documented drama of "No Mas"?

    Speculate and discuss :bbb

    (MAG, you can sit this one out.)
     
  2. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I opt for your third scenario.
     
  3. dyna

    dyna Boxing Junkie banned

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    I can get why he wanted to quit... :D
     
  4. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    More excuses from Duran, I'd imagine.
     
  5. FIN

    FIN Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Its simple,he was being outboxed and made to look foolish so he quit,im a huge Duran fan but thats the answer,the film will prob gloss over it..
     
  6. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Arse all torn to shreds from a night of intense dry fisting with his Panamanian homies, thus badly impairing ability to walk about properly and " cut off the ring" which will be wittily refered to both in boxing terms and slang for holding in a ****.
     
  7. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Well it certainly won't gloss over it as it's a focal point of the plot.

    :lol: Points for creativity. But I'm not sure it's all too likely.
     
  8. DigMona

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    Duran fought Leonard's fight.
     
  9. salsanchezfan

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    If Tarentino makes the film, I expect to see big, techincolor fountains of diarrhea in the scene.

    That's how he rolls.
     
  10. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    :yep He was green. Duran would have beaten Leonard had they fought right after, he would have shed his greenness.

    :lol: Well, perhaps thankfully, he's not.



    Nobody thinks Don King may have screwed Duran over somehow? There's always the story of Duran's manager having his hand forced to take the fight within the time-frame he did it, always thought there might be something more to that.
     
  11. Sakkher

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    If the director ignores the fact that Duran, knowing the date of the scheduled re-match, decided to party like Mick Jagger, eat like Minnesota Fats and drink like a great white shark--and given the director's remarks, he does appear to be ignoring all that drinking and partying and eating--then there's no reason to see the movie. We have a saying in the Marine infantry: "Easy to be hard, hard to be smart." The truth is, however, that sometimes it's easy to be smart. For instance, when you've just taken the belt from Sugar Ray Leonard in Montreal in the summer and you know you have to fight him again, in the fall, it's easy to be smart. The smart thing to do is hammer down and assume nothing and train like Marciano. And now it's your belt to keep. What would Marciano do, in those circumstances? What would Joe Louis do? Right, Marciano, Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, et. al, well, they never blew off their training and blew up, between title fights. That's one big reason they kept their belts. Duran did it to himself. Damn shame, because he had well-proven, in Montreal, that he had the skills, will, conditioning and desire to defeat Sugar Ray Leonard. Duran forced Leonard to fight his fight in Montreal and Duran did that, primarily, because he had fire in the belly, he trained for Montreal like a man on fire. But when you spend 6-8 weeks just getting down from 203 to 147, as Duran did for the re-match in New Orleans, the chances of defeating as talented and determined and smart fighter as Leonard decline in a very big way. What that director, apparently, is never going to ask Duran is, "Why didn't you train, starting from August 1st, hard-core, full-bore, like Marciano? Why didn't you learn from the champions of the past? Why didn't you run 6-9 miles a day, in boots? Why didn't you put on a weighted vest, stand in a pool with your head above water, and throw punches underwater for five minutes at a stretch, one minute rest, for a total of 30 minutes, minimum? Why didn't you hit the heavy bag for an hour, every other day, with a sauna suit on?" Guaranteed, if Duran had the fire in the belly like Marciano and Joe Louis and Sugar Ray Robinson had fire in the belly, he either knocks out Leonard in New Orleans or wins on unanimous decision. But Leonard, quite obviously, had the fire in the belly for New Orleans, Leonard did not miss a day of training between Montreal and New Orleans. The director ought to look real hard at that, too.
     
  12. Alex001

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    He would improv a song for each person, with a little story about how they came to be.
     
  13. duranimal

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    This ought to be a moral tale of "Pride & Arrogance" good old fashioned HUBRIS. A punishment from the gods.

    With regard to Duran we are not dealing with what you can compare to a normal human being when you take his background into consideration juxtaposed with a nieve & trusting persona with those who he viewed as father figuer's in his life, boxing & personal & here we have Carlos Eleta who is on record as stating that they'd lost "Control" of Duran & thought it prudent to cash out before some bum beat him.

    But Duran was such a trusting & generous individual that he never for a split second would doubt the intentions of those closest to him would have an ulterior motive other than that of what was best for himself. This 2nd fight is a lesson in life to all when overwhelmed by pride & arrogance who like "Icurus" disobeyed instructions & came down to earth with a crash.

    It's a simple moral tale of life in general & boxing is littered with them, Mike Tyson being the glaring example. It should follow all of the above juxtaposed with trust & betrayal. Whose gonna play the part of the devil here in Don King?
     
  14. dyna

    dyna Boxing Junkie banned

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    Don King is funny, he showed the K2 brothers his piano skills trying to get them sign a contract.
    Vitali saw the keys moved on their own so they didn't trust him. :D
     
  15. duranimal

    duranimal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:

    Go read "The Life & Crimes of Don King":smoke