Which boxer can bench the most?

No, I'm not that naive. People might only start turning when you get so specific about it. How do you know exactly that, can you not say. I mean you already said Arreola & Tyson have.

Most sport fans are a lot more jaded than you're giving credit. Certainly many of us want to believe in the purity of sports. The idea of the purity of a sport. At least that's what we hope when it comes to a particular fighters, sport, or athlete.

 

The purity of sports has become poisoned by the all mighty dollar, and the willingness of people in general to do anything to obtain money n victory. The only fighters I know for sure that didn't use ped are Hasim Rahman, Julian Letterlough, and Kermit Cintron.

 

Do you think PEDs help a fighter punch faster 'n harder, JG? Never seen a fighter punch faster 'n harder than his first day in the gym. (difficult as that may be to hear)

He may practice combos, and look like he's faster, but it ain't so. If he's not blessed with quick twitch muscles, nothing will help.

 

David Tua, he benched an insane amount in this documentary leading up to the Lewis fight.

 

Training, and ped will help an athlete perform any athletic activity better. Yes you can train a person to run faster, jump higher, punch harder, and punch faster. The thing is... People have different strength as athletes, and different ceilings of potential. Anyone can improve, but you can not turn ordinary into exceptional.

 

That's all true but the punching harder 'n faster. But nothing is truer than your closing comment, c101

 

And looked slow & fat in that fight. Probably was too heavy. Should've focused on conditioning and speed.

 

I'm just going to assume what you've heard on Tyson & Arreola is just hearsay rumors (Not that it is untrue). There are obviously plenty more fighters that haven't used PEDs then that list. Probably a list of fighters not using would be greater than using (At least in its history. Hard to say currently). For starters, Lamon Brewster claims he never did and talks about hearing about other guys doing using.

 

I still think in a sport like boxing with chumps like Celestine caballero and Litzau getting close or having titles, modern training is the biggest myth ever. Hagler, hearns, Pryor, arguello, Leonard, Duran - those guys stack up against anyone their size in history. This modern epoch is very weak when top guys like rios get by on toughness instead of even fitness or skil.

 

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I can not find logical reason to agree that any physical ability can be improved except punching power n hand speed. If a person can. Be trained to run faster, jump higher, throw faster, and throw farther... To me... Logic dictates that the same would be true of increasing punching power and hand speed.

 

You must have his squat and his bench confused. The dude has some really strong legs...

 

Athletes today by in large are superior physically, but when it comes to mental toughness... The old timers are head n shoulders above modern fighters!

 

I'm thinking Butterbean might hold the record, if he ever actually tried. His arms were bigger than George Foreman's torso, and unlike his torso, his arms were almost 100% muscle.

I imagine that Tyson Fury would also give Larsen a run for it. He can probably bench the back end of a cement truck.

 

First boxer that came to mind was Mosley benching 300 or something, but overall I'm not sure

bench don't mean **** in boxing anyway except if you're pushing your opponent away

 

Boxing trainers are just boxing trainers, they can think what they like about certain conditioning methods but there is plenty of science and logic showing that power can be improved in any sport. Muscles are muscles, what they look like means little, it's about what they can do. There's also the nervous system and the tendons involved and they play a far larger part in power than muscles do. Weight training and explosive training improves the stiffness of tendons, muscle recruitment, reduces inhibition etc. Those things are the major things that determine power, you like to talk about how someone looks as if that has any relevance. A skinny guy or a muscular guy, it doesn't matter but what matters is what they can do. Lifting weights is only about appearance for a bodybuilder, for an athlete it's about 'what you can do'.
There are plenty of studies looking into genetics, fibre type etc. and the biggest determinant for anything is how you train. You may be born with some advantages but they can easily fade away if you train poorly (or don't train) while you can have someone who is genetically poorly endowed and through clever training can really improve his ratio of fast twitch fibres and alter his neuromuscular responses, to become an excellent athlete by altering his genetic expression.
You really don't know enough to be making the comments you're making JG, they're just personal anecdotes making generalisations. You're only seeing what you've seen, instead of seeing 'what can be'.