Anyone Read The Article by Hauser On Pac vs Bradley Scoring?

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  1. ashl3y72

    ashl3y72 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    it's great stuff...not that i necessarily agree with everything but Hauser is as respected a writer as you can get

    "A wave of outrage has swept over the boxing community with regard to the scoring of the June 9th fight between Manny Pacquiao and Tim Bradley. The overwhelming majority of fans, writers, and commentators who watched the fight thought that Pacquiao was a clear winner. Jerry Roth agreed that Pacquiao had won, although his 115-113 scorecard was closer than many observers thought appropriate. Duane Ford and C. J. Ross ignited a firestorm of protest, scoring the bout 115-113 in favor of Bradley.

    I’m a poor candidate to audition for the Greek chorus. On fight night, sitting in row E of the press section, I thought the decision could have gone either way. And I scored the fight 115-114 for Bradley.

    Was I wrong? Later in this article, I’ll recount the thoughts I had after watching a replay of the fight. For now, let’s put Pacquiao-Bradley in perspective. Quote:
    The first two rounds of Pacquiao-Bradley were closely contested with all three judges splitting them evenly between the fighters. According to CompuBox, Pacquiao outlanded Bradley 11-to-10 in the first stanza, but I gave that round to Bradley because I thought he fought more effectively.

    Pacquiao dominated rounds three through six of what was then an exciting action fight. Bradley fired back when hit and pumped punches to the body when Manny tried to tie him up on the inside. But Pacquiao scored more effectively, particularly when punches were fired in bunches.

    “He was fast,” Bradley acknowledged afterward. “And he stunned me a couple of times in there.”

    In round five, I made two notes: “Bradley more respectful now of Pacquiao’s power . . . Can Manny keep it up for twelve rounds? If so, he wins.”

    In round six, I wrote, “Pacquiao looks very good . . . Pacquiao unloading . . . Bradley walks to his corner at end of round with a weary discouraged look.”

    At that point, I had Pacquiao ahead 59-55 (the same score as Jerry Roth). Duane Ford and C.J. Ross had it 58-56.

    Then, in my eyes (and also in the eyes of all three judges), the momentum of the fight changed.

    Before the fight, Bradley had said, “I’m a rough fighter. I come in aggressively. There will be no time off. I’ll be fighting sixty seconds of every minute, three minutes of every round.” But he’d also acknowledged, “Pacquiao hits hard, so I’ll feel him out and see what he really has. If he does have power, then I’ll have to be smarter in there and outbox this guy.”

    In round seven, Bradley started boxing. From that point on, I thought he controlled the pace of the fight.

    Round eight: “Bradley boxing more now. Not pushing the pace . . . Pacquiao taking the round off. Looks a bit tired.”

    Round nine: “Some good flurries both ways . . . Bradley looks stronger and digging deeper . . . Pacquiao may be losing his power.”

    Round ten: “Pacquiao moving forward, but Bradley countering well.”

    Round eleven: “Pacquiao throwing one punch at a time.”

    Round twelve: “After an impressive start, Manny has looked ordinary the second half of the fight.”

    When I tallied my score, I’d given Bradley five of the last six rounds with one round even for a 115-114 scorecard in Tim’s favor. Beneath those numbers, I wrote, “Pacquiao outfought Bradley the first half of the fight. Bradley outboxed Pacquiao in the second half. Manny at his best always finished strong. This time, he didn’t. Like the Marquez fight, he wasn’t willing to walk through fire in the late rounds to win.”

    Duane Ford and C. J. Ross scored the fight 115-113 in Bradley’s favor. Jerry Roth scored it 115-113 for Pacquiao.

    Looking at the round-by-round punch-stats after the fight, I questioned my scoring of several rounds. When I watched the replay, I could see how a majority of observers scored the bout for Pacquiao. Duane Ford and C.J. Ross didn’t have the benefit of hindsight. I think they’re honest judges, and I don’t think the decision was a “robbery.”

    [url]http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/pacquiao-bradley-in-perspective[/url]
     
  2. turbotime

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    I read it yeah, it's a great article. I still feel Pac won but Hauser made a helluva case.
     
  3. JohnAnthony

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    The way i saw it. Pac won 5 rounds clearly.
    Bradley won 1 Round Clearly.

    That leaves 6 rounds you could score either way.

    Therefore anything from 7-5 Bradley to 11-1 Manny was Possible.

    I prefer old fashion Scoring. in the 1900's. They'd have Scored it. 5 Rounds to Manny, 1 Round to Timmeh and 6 Even, and the winner and STILL....
     
  4. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've heard a lot of that. I just don't agree with the "Bradley was being more effective" after round six. I think it was comparative judgement from the first half of the fight and expectations on how Pacquiao should've won rounds.
    Still a good article, and Bradley's a real fighter who deserves nothing but respect (even though I don't think he beat Pacquiao)
     
  5. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Pretty much how I scored it as well, I did and I always will see that as a legit win for Bradley.
     
  6. Smokin' Joe

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    Good article.

    On fight night I had it a draw. I remember clearly stating that I didn't know what the hell some of the guys in the RBR were watching, because I saw it a hell of lot closer than most in there.

    After reviewing the fight in the following weeks, I thought Pacquiao won it by 2 rounds. There were a lot of close rounds though, and the scoring of which would have depended on how you personally score a fight, what you value in a fighter. There's scope for many different scores in that fight.

    I believe though, if you had a Lederman type scorecard, with Bradley winning one round, you seriously need to question whether boxing is a sport you should be watching.
     
  7. ROACH

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    Just as I suspected, the amateur champion boxer, who can do one arm unsupported pull ups easily, doesn't know **** about boxing.
     
  8. ROACH

    ROACH Boxing Addict banned

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    Figures, you would be a ****** too.

    I question if anyone here has actually boxed...

    They say boxing fans are the least likely to have ever boxed, especially in England.

    Makes sense that the people that know the LEAST about the sport are typically from England.
     
  9. Slothrop

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    He's adopted very much a minority opinion.
     
  10. LikeFatherNSon

    LikeFatherNSon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hauser was very accurate. Great article--one of his better ones in recent years actually.
     
  11. dealt_with

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    :|
     
  12. Smokin' Joe

    Smokin' Joe ~ Dinamita Irlandés ~ banned

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    I'm not from England.

    Seriously, you appear to be devastated and hurt by my continued owning of you here. Following me around the forum shelling out personal insults because you can't make an argument that makes a lick of sense. :lol:

    Yeah, I've made you look a fool several times. You're not the first. That's what happens when you come on a forum crowing loudly about **** you haven't got a clue on. Grow a pair of balls and take it like a man for ****'s sake.
     
  13. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Good article. I had Pacquiao winning 7-8 rounds
     
  14. fatcity

    fatcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hauser is entitled to his opinion as we are.This time Hauser is wrong-Pac by close nod!
     
  15. Slickstar

    Slickstar Crisp This Full Member

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    I gave Tim 4 rounds