Mayweather chooses his opponents wisely and though highly skilled he is ..

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by RafaelGonzal, Apr 16, 2013.


  1. josjbp23

    josjbp23 Member Full Member

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    First I apologize for the length of the post, but believe me it is worth reading. I would post this in a new thread but for an unknown reason I am not allowed to post new threads even though I did nothing wrong and and I can't get the moderator to respond to my inquires.
    This post is about blatant plagiarism by the writer from Boixngnews24 Allen Fox. I wrote a comment on 1 of his articles entitled, "Broner vs Malignaggi to be televised by Showtime on June 22nd", writen by Allen Fox on 03/18/13. I wrote a comment (which you can scroll down and read yourself),and then on the same day Allen Fox wrote another article entitled, "De La Hoya: Doesn't HBO know Golden Boy is stacked with Talent"
    Allen Fox lifted the entire premise, theme, summary, from my comment I made under the Broner vs Malignaggi article. He even stole from my comment, word for word. I wrote the editor, but never received a response. Then I noticed my comment was erased from the Broner vs Mal. article and Allen Fox's article was not changed at all. Instead of an apology and having Fox rewrite his article, or give me credit the editor and Allen Fox instead decided to just erase my comment. Here is the email I sent them:

    joseph pacheco <josjbXXX@XXXXXXX>

    Mar 19

    to editor
    This is in regards to 2 articles posted on 03/18/13. The 1st titled Broner vs. Malignaggi to be televised by Showtime on June 22nd and the 2nd titled De La Hoya: Doesn't HBO know Golden Boy is stacked with Talent? both written by Allen Fox. I posted a comment on the 1st article. The post/comment is listed below for you to read along with the questioned section of article 2 written by Allen Fox. My issue is the 2nd article has parts in it that seem extremely similar to the post/comment I made in the 1st article. I have highlighted the section in my post/comment below. It seems like Allen Fox used my post/comment almost word for word in his article. Also, the whole summary and idea of the 2nd article seems lifted from my comment. It seems as if Allen Fox used the premise, idea, and substance of my post/comment for his article. Examples are rife such as the mention of Bob Arum's age and firing Ken Hershman just to name a few. Now, he wrote each article on the same day and I believe he read my comment and plagiarised it and passed it own as his own work. I am saying he did this intentionally, and I am angry about it. If your writer, Allen Fox, wants to use my words and ideas for his articles I am a bit flattered by it, but I do want him to credit me for it by using the standard journalistic practices, such as a footnote or quote me in his article. For example," a comment listed by one of our readers, Joe......... I do hope you read the 2nd article and compare it to my post/comment and make your own judgement on the issue. Since you are the editor I am sure you will be fair and I am also sure you do not tolerate plagiarism even if it is done unintentionally. I do hope you respond to my email as quickly as possible.

    Thank You,
    Joe Pacheco

    Questioned section of Article written by Allen Fox: De La Hoya: doesn't HBO Know Golden Boy is stacked with talent?

    "What HBO seems to be forgetting is that Top Rank, which will be supplying most of their talent for their fights, is headed by an 81-year-old CEO in Bob Arum. He’s not going to be around for too much longer, and who knows how well the promotional company will do once Arum is gone."

    joe (my comment posted on boxingnews24)

    What a stupid and horrible move by HBO. Golden Boy has the deepest roster of fighters and to just abandon making fights with them is just plain stupid. Instead HBO wants a relationship with Top Rank who not only has a much thinner roster of fighters, but it has an aging 81 yr old man at its head who will not be in the business much longer. This a bad strategic business decision by HBO which comes down to the question of why on earth did HBO hire Ken Hershman in the first place?

    Ever since Ken Hershman was hired HBO, boxing has gone downhill. He needs to be replaced immediately. I never understood why they hired him in the 1st place. His record at Showtime was one of limited growth and continued status quo. He did not bring any great innovation or changes to Showtime during his tenure there and Showtime Boxing never grew, its just remained there in a sort of suspended animation. When he was at Showtime, Showtime boxing never could compete with HBO Boxing, and they constantly put on poor fights. But once Hershman left and Showtime hired a new Sports director they have leaped past HBO putting on good fights all year long. Their viewership has gone up and now they have Mayweather. This compared to HBO, since Hershman’s hiring, poor match-ups, bad deals, losing Mayweather, and now refusing to deal with Golden Boy fighters. Hershman has now backed HBO into a corner. Losing Mayweather and now Broner, whom they had a lot invested in already. I see them courting Andre Ward, but Ward does not bring in big numbers and is not a pay per view attraction, and not too exciting to watch either. All the great fights at 168 have already been done by Ward and done on Showtime. Hershman has been a complete and absolute failure who needs to be fired before he ruins HBO Boxing for the next decade
     
  2. silenc

    silenc dropout bear Full Member

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    Mosley ducked Floyd, do your research, Floyd called Oscar out at young age! He cannnot please everybody.
     
  3. anj

    anj Guest

    It's one thing to call someone out, and it's another thing to want to go through with it.

    Think about it...Oscar just beat Pernell Whitaker, why are you insinuating that Oscar would duck a fighter that is the inferior version of Whitaker in terms of boxing? In the light of all of this, who is more likely to duck?
     
  4. Miguel

    Miguel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly - and if you watch Face Off it's pretty clear from Mosley that he's the one who had been chasing the fight for a long time...
     
  5. Concrete

    Concrete Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It wasn't Mayweather who jumped up in weight in 99, it wasn't Mayweather who decided to stay at 154 to rematch Vargas even though he won clearly the first time.

    So please break down the efforts Mosley put in to make the fight before he jumped in the ring to challenge Mayweather.

    Mayweather moved all the way up to 147 in order to make himself available to fight Hoya and Mosley. What extra efforts did Hoya and Mosley make to fight Mayweather

    Hoya never ducked Mayweather but he also didn't make himself available right away for Mayweather which isn't Mayweather's fault. Mayweather would have fought Hoya and Mosley in 2006 if they were willing and available.
     
  6. Concrete

    Concrete Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Hatton and Cotto weren't scared and Mosley and Hoya were willing we could have seen Mayweather fight all 4 in row from 05-06. Probably could have thow in Margo if Arum would guarantee Hoya after facing Margo.
     
  7. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    First Ballot Hall of Famer, very high ATG ranking, unbeaten and rich.

    Is there anything else a boxer needs to accomplish? :think
     
  8. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, Floyd's welterweight run was carefully orchestrated to begin with when it was really competitive. He came back after the heat had gone down and is now fortunate to be operating in a time where the division is weak. When his nearest challengers and opponents over the next couple of years are gonna' be from Khan, Alexander, Garcia and Guerrero, that tells you all you need to know about what's left in this division.
     
  9. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    So it's Floyd's fault that Williams and Margarito can't keep a streak going?
     
  10. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If he's vastly overrated, and only got to where is by carefully chosing his opponents, then why don't more fighters do so? He's the highest paid, and highest ranked fighter in the sport. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of other fighters that would love to be in that position.
     
  11. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Why has he been universally recognized as P4P number 1 for close to 10 years then?
     
  12. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Because the writers overrate him :twisted:
     
  13. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    You would know alot about that wouldn't you ******?
     
  14. MiAmor

    MiAmor Guest

    so, true :yep

    still a great fighter though who despite his skills doesnt like to take risky fights. hes a true businessman at heart
     
  15. LikeFatherNSon

    LikeFatherNSon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you mean they avoided him, not vice versa.