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I emailed Ring Mag Complaining about the Ring P4P List

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He's right that these p4p lists are for boxing geeks but those are the sort of people who are actually going to still buy boxing magazines. If it's in your magazine take it seriously ffs.

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his comeback was good, he's a **** though

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Amazing reasoning. Their P4P list is **** because they don't care that much for the sport. "Geeks" atsch

The Ring is beyond a joke.

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He just owned the whole general forum/

This cannot be real?

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LMAO OP got owned.

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Someone troll this guy, please!

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emailing a magazine complaining about a mythical list is pretty ****ing nerdy :rofl

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If you are getting paid to do something, never insult your primary audience. If the pound for pound list means nothing except to extremists, the magazine too means very little except to extremists, whose purchases pay his bills. This kind of asinine unprofessionalism is inexcusible. In the absence of those he insults, he has to find another job.

Journalism at its heart is supposed to transcend the cult of personality.

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aramini said: ↑

If you are getting paid to do something, never insult your primary audience. If the pound for pound list means nothing except to extremists, the magazine too means very little except to extremists, whose purchases pay his bills. This kind of asinine unprofessionalism is inexcusible. In the absence of those he insults, he has to find another job.

Journalism at its heart is supposed to transcend the cult of personality.
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yeah a boxing magazine insuklinghardcore fans is atsch

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JohnAnthony said: ↑

I emailed doug fisher about ther terrible rankings and calling them bias and got a response on his friday Mailbag. he basically says only complete boxing nerds care about such things

MY EMAIL:

POUND FOR POUND RANKINGS
At least before you were being subtle about your Golden Boy bias at The Ring. But this is taking the mick.
Broner at number 5. Ghost at number 8, ahead of Donaire!!!
Shocking. And what annoys me the most is, youre punishing a fighter like Donaire for fighting all comers.
Why should he be dropped? It was clear to anyone that Rigondeux was P4P worthy in that ring.
I get that you need The Ghost high in your rankings to help make Floyds horrendous matchmaking actually look like he's now defeating a top p4p player, and Broner is a future star, but this is getting embarrassing!
And I know you like to say P4P doesn't mean anything, but it does!
In a world where there's no more credible boxing outfits declaring the right champion I used to use your Ring ratings to determine who is the best. But now theyre even worse than the actual Governing Bodies! Michael

Doug's Responce:

Im sorry you feel that way, Michael. I still think THE RINGs divisional rankings which has a listed criteria and takes in the input of an excellent advisory group, the Ratings Panel (none of whom are responsible for the mythical rankings, by the way) are superior to the rankings of the sanctioning organizations.
The pound-for-pound rankings do not have a set criteria, and, for the most part, do not factor in the suggestions of the Ratings Panel (many of whom do not offer their opinions on the mythical top 10 list). The Editorial Board (which is Michael Rosenthal and I) do have significant input but the final decision belongs to Giampa.

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Im sorry that you disagree with Giampa. I understand that the pound-for-pound rankings are of EXTREME important to a segment of boxings hardcore fandom.
(And when I refer to you pound-for-pound-philes as hardcore, I mean that in the geekiest sense. You guys are every bit as nerdy and irritating as some of the goofballs I bump into at comic shops. If comic books were your thing instead of boxing, youd be one of those grown-ass men who dress up like Green Lantern and go to all the conventions; and youd definitely be the type to argue the merits of Marvel over D.C. or Star Trek over Star Wars for hours.)
Id tell you to get over it, but I know you wont. So have fun being crazy.
But before I move on, I want to point out a few things.
First, the magazines pound-for-pound rankings is not a marketing tool for major fights like Mayweather-Guerrero. There is no F___ING way that Guerrero being on anyones pound-for-pound list is going to help sell or legitimize this fight.
Very few of the casual fans who buy the May Day pay per view know who Guerrero is, let alone his pound-for-pound status (and most have no idea what pound for pound even means). All they know about Guerrero is what theyll watch of him on Showtimes All Access, and I guarantee you nobody is going mention where The Ghost is ranked in THE RING mythical ratings during that series. The fans who buy the May 4 PPV who are familiar with Guerrero dont care about his pound-for-pound ranking. Even Guerreros fans dont care. They just want to see him beat Mayweather.
And by the way, now that Pacquiao has been KTFO, Floyd is the ONLY pound-for-pound rated boxer that anyone outside of a couple thousand hardcore nutcakes worldwide gives a rats ass about. Showtimes commentators will mention that Mayweather is No. 1 during the May 4 pay-per-view broadcast. They will not likely mention that Guerrero is No. 8. And if they do mention his ranking it wont help or hurt the credibility or popularity of the magazines mythical rankings.
I hate to break this to you, Michael, but normal folks dont care whos pound for pound. If the Ring Ratings Update gets any attention, its because of nutty hardcore fans.
The latest RRU received 407 likes, about 10 times as many likes as the average RingTV.com blog
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items receive. You can diss the list all you want, but youre just driving more traffic to it. And many of those curious first-timers will come back.
ALL of the critics of the rankings will come back.
The folks who comment at the bottom of the RRU, like Valerie Crosbie, are there EVERY WEEK. What else are they going to do with their time?
You guys live for this s__t the way a cosplay fool cant wait to show off his new Deadpool getup at the San Diego Comic Con.
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A few weeks back (before Soliman's failed drug test) after he beat Strum, they still rated Strum above Soliman and offered no explanation as to why.

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His reply was stupid and unprofessional from someone representing a magazine that was once held to the standard of being the bible of the sport.

Just goes to show you the lack of quality analyst and content at the ring and why true fans of the sport should completely disregard it.

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JohnAnthony said: ↑

I emailed doug fisher about ther terrible rankings and calling them bias and got a response on his friday Mailbag. he basically says only complete boxing nerds care about such things

MY EMAIL:

POUND FOR POUND RANKINGS
At least before you were being subtle about your Golden Boy bias at The Ring. But this is taking the mick.
Broner at number 5. Ghost at number 8, ahead of Donaire!!!
Shocking. And what annoys me the most is, youre punishing a fighter like Donaire for fighting all comers.
Why should he be dropped? It was clear to anyone that Rigondeux was P4P worthy in that ring.
I get that you need The Ghost high in your rankings to help make Floyds horrendous matchmaking actually look like he's now defeating a top p4p player, and Broner is a future star, but this is getting embarrassing!
And I know you like to say P4P doesn't mean anything, but it does!
In a world where there's no more credible boxing outfits declaring the right champion I used to use your Ring ratings to determine who is the best. But now theyre even worse than the actual Governing Bodies! Michael

Doug's Responce:

Im sorry you feel that way, Michael. I still think THE RINGs divisional rankings which has a listed criteria and takes in the input of an excellent advisory group, the Ratings Panel (none of whom are responsible for the mythical rankings, by the way) are superior to the rankings of the sanctioning organizations.
The pound-for-pound rankings do not have a set criteria, and, for the most part, do not factor in the suggestions of the Ratings Panel (many of whom do not offer their opinions on the mythical top 10 list). The Editorial Board (which is Michael Rosenthal and I) do have significant input but the final decision belongs to Giampa.

This content is protected
Im sorry that you disagree with Giampa. I understand that the pound-for-pound rankings are of EXTREME important to a segment of boxings hardcore fandom.
(And when I refer to you pound-for-pound-philes as hardcore, I mean that in the geekiest sense. You guys are every bit as nerdy and irritating as some of the goofballs I bump into at comic shops. If comic books were your thing instead of boxing, youd be one of those grown-ass men who dress up like Green Lantern and go to all the conventions; and youd definitely be the type to argue the merits of Marvel over D.C. or Star Trek over Star Wars for hours.)
Id tell you to get over it, but I know you wont. So have fun being crazy.
But before I move on, I want to point out a few things.
First, the magazines pound-for-pound rankings is not a marketing tool for major fights like Mayweather-Guerrero. There is no F___ING way that Guerrero being on anyones pound-for-pound list is going to help sell or legitimize this fight.
Very few of the casual fans who buy the May Day pay per view know who Guerrero is, let alone his pound-for-pound status (and most have no idea what pound for pound even means). All they know about Guerrero is what theyll watch of him on Showtimes All Access, and I guarantee you nobody is going mention where The Ghost is ranked in THE RING mythical ratings during that series. The fans who buy the May 4 PPV who are familiar with Guerrero dont care about his pound-for-pound ranking. Even Guerreros fans dont care. They just want to see him beat Mayweather.
And by the way, now that Pacquiao has been KTFO, Floyd is the ONLY pound-for-pound rated boxer that anyone outside of a couple thousand hardcore nutcakes worldwide gives a rats ass about. Showtimes commentators will mention that Mayweather is No. 1 during the May 4 pay-per-view broadcast. They will not likely mention that Guerrero is No. 8. And if they do mention his ranking it wont help or hurt the credibility or popularity of the magazines mythical rankings.
I hate to break this to you, Michael, but normal folks dont care whos pound for pound. If the Ring Ratings Update gets any attention, its because of nutty hardcore fans.
The latest RRU received 407 likes, about 10 times as many likes as the average RingTV.com blog
This content is protected
items receive. You can diss the list all you want, but youre just driving more traffic to it. And many of those curious first-timers will come back.
ALL of the critics of the rankings will come back.
The folks who comment at the bottom of the RRU, like Valerie Crosbie, are there EVERY WEEK. What else are they going to do with their time?
You guys live for this s__t the way a cosplay fool cant wait to show off his new Deadpool getup at the San Diego Comic Con.
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LOL...you tried to play the smart ass "know it all" card, and got ****ing punked. Thanks for posting this was ****ing hilarious, you got your **** pushed in...big time bro.

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Glad to see the TS get put in his place. He is bias as well. Donaire fought all comers? The guy haven't done anything since Darchiyan. Finally another big name in Montiell and now got exposed by Rigo. Hardly all comers. He didn't participate in the Bantamweight Tourny.

Was never sold by Donaire. He rode that Darchinyan win to the grave before fighting another dangerous fighter.

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I think if you hadn't made the crutch of your argument that a guy who just got beat pillar to post and outclassed by a smaller man, being ranked higher than guys who haven't recently had their **** pushed in, probably pissed him off.

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