I can't score fights for ****.

Had Trout winning 8 aswell
The Trout saying he lost thing is because he knew from round 8 he wasnt gonna win, so therefore he knew he had no other gameplan and the one he was already using wasnt working so he figured unless he gets a knockout hes not winning for ****
It's hard to tell whats right and whats wrong when the judges come up with nonsense scorecard like giving Trout 1 round and Rigo beating Donaire 114-113

 

Trout was told in the 8th round that he was losing the fight by 10 rounds.

He had no chance, and both fighters gave up in the last 4 rounds. Alvarez didnt do anything in the 12th, he ran like David Haye against Valuev!!!

They need to stop this **** about releasing the scores during a fight. Not only does it destroy the fight (unless it is super close) it could cause a riot if the scores are terrible.

How come this fight had that **** with the scores, is the Mayweather-Guerrero fight gonna have that?

 

I want to twat you ACE fancy meeting up :thumbs
blackbrenny don't bother mate , its like going to junior school

 

for what its worth I made a big deal saying Donaire would have far, far too much for Rigo, I was dead wrong, and I held my hands up after the fact and said as such, and I agree Trout stole more than one round obviously,but Canelo won that fight, "No Doubt" about it, pun intended

 

Are you being sarcastic, Stuey? Because I really don't believe you 'can't score fights for ****'.

Anyway, don't beat yourself up. In a fight this close you will have many different opinions, nothing more, nothing less.

The main thing I see is (this is not in relations to Alvarez/Trout), people judge fights as if the fight is one big, continuous 36 minute fight. It’s not like that. It’s the totality of 12 separate, 3 minute rounds.

For example; If I raced you 12 times in a 100 meter sprint. If you beat me by 10 meters in 5 of the races and I beat you by 2 inches in 7 of the races, I still won more races than you. One fighter might win the rounds he wins more clearly and dominantly. But the rounds the other fighter wins were more out-hustle rounds than dominant rounds. But nevertheless he still won them. Does that make sense?

Good example is Jermain Taylor vs. Bernard Hopkins. Hopkins won his rounds more clear, but he won less of them in some people opinions, where as Taylor kind of outhustled him. Don’t look at who won each round more dominantly, look at who won more of the rounds.

Just look for 4 things. Effective aggression, clean punching, ring generalship and defence. Or to put it simply, score a round on who you would rather be during that 3 minute period.

 

And that criteria is exactly why I had Saul winning

 

There's tendency for some to assume all punches are equal. But a jab is not worth the same as a hook. It's got to be in context.

When Cotto fought Foreman, both landed their jab. But when Cotto landed his, he made Foreman's knees buckle. Cotto landed the cleaner punch and his aggression, the times he chose to engage, was more effective.

Trout did a lot of work, but didn't hurt Alvarez much and his jab was basically trying to keep Alvarez busy. He did put in some nice left hands to the head and body, but these were sporadic and generally had minimal impact.

When Alvarez opened up, even if it was only twice in a round, he would hurt Trout. He would get him backing up or he'd made his legs wobble. His aggression was more effective because they were having an effect on Trout.

Ring generalship - well Trout was "making the fight", but he wasn't doing this effectively enough to negate the first two. Finally, on defence Canelo walks it. He was constantly slipping punches and giving Trout problems. I think even Trout was surprised how slick the younger man could be.

Canelo's occasional negativity allowed some rounds to be closer than they needed to be, but I really didn't struggle to get my score. I always value good, hard punches over volume, unless the volume hits consistently.

 

completely agree, especiallly with Canelos negativity, but on Ring generalship, I got the impression Trout was the "scared" fighter the entire time, he seemed to be, as you say, just trying to keep Canelo busy so he wouldn't be hit, yet he could not hit Canelo and couldn't stop being hit himself

 

Very good post.

 

Saw Andre Ward's twitter he wasn't impressed by the scoring. Also made a comment about Canelo having the belt on before the scores was read out which i noticed. A little like Kessler vs Froch where the man goes to give it to him before he's named winner.

Also apparently Laurence Cole walked over to Canelo covered microphone and told him he was ahead on scorecards. Don't like all this it's not right but it's so corrupt the sport we seem to deal with it and move on.

Trout's a magnificent ambassador for the sport in his conduct afterwards. Hope he comes back and reclaims his title and more titles because i thought he put on a fine display like Canelo did as well. Enjoyable fight even though it had it's messy parts where both struggled to find range consistently.

But yeah the open scoring is destroying fights for me. I mean if stayed up for the fight i would of turned it off because it's game over for Trout he wasn't ever going to win by stoppage.

 

Good post, ive seen quite a few fights where one fighter wins all his rounds clearly and the other fighter wins his rounds scrappily and close rounds, then people automatically would think the first guy won but if you count the actual rounds each fighter won, doesnt matter who won their rounds clearly or not
Thats why i hate it when people say Canelo was dictating the pace, Trout's confidence was lowering towards the end of the fight, it doesnt mean **** this is round by round scoring, boxing is a hard to score because we are watching as fans but trying to be judges aswell, at least when it comes to close fights everyone puts their heart and soul into believing they are right

 

Lets go, where you from?