Is the lazy jab an effective weapon?

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  1. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things.

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    But not the whole fight.
     
  2. 941Jeremy

    941Jeremy Active Member Full Member

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    Great breakdown, thanks for the reply.
     
  3. tezel8764

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  4. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wlad's jab is a classic example.

    He mostly throws it almost like he's pushing his opponent away, but then every once in a while he throws a stinger. He also has an unusual ability to turn it into a straight left, after the train has left the station. (it's almost an illegal thumb, but I digress)

    this isn't bad or "lazy" technique. It's done on purpose, and what makes Wlad's left so effective. His opponent gets used to that slow timing, falls into that rhythm and distance, then BAM.

    My trainer used to constantly work on this concept - changing up the speed & angles of your shots, purposely throwing off your opponent.
     
  5. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    MAB sometimes used it for deception, because he was so much faster with his hands than he seemed to be. Sometimes a guy like Hopkins will let it drift out so he can obscure your vision with it and launch a hard right hand behind it. Usually a lazy jab is just gonna earn you a right cross to the face over the top.
     
  6. RazorHandz

    RazorHandz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If it's sharp then to me it's not a lazy jab, and whether or not the fighter brings it back low doesn't matter IMO. What I call a lazy jab is simply a jab that is not thrown with conviction.

    Ward didn't bring his whole body behind his range-finder jab (that would defeat the purpose), his upper body didn't move until Froch reacted, then he threw a stiff jab and stepped into it.

    Floyd was leaning forward but that's because he was preparing the right hand.
     
  7. Bogotazo

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    To me lazy means not brought back into the guard properly, you're "lazy" when you throw it and shoot it out but leave yourself open. That's how I've heard most fans and commentators talk about it. The jab you're talking about I've heard referred to as a pitty-pat jab.

    I didn't say you thrust your whole body behind a range-finder jab, they position their body directly behind the jab, measuring the distance. It's a barrier between the opponent and them. Fighters with what I consider lazy jabs throw upright or step into it while leaving it out there to get caught, and the lack of control of distance has them pay for it.
     
  8. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Depends on how you use it...if the "lazy" jab is used as a primary weapon then it's a bad situation waiting to happen.

    If you use the Lazy jab to set up something behind it, then it could be beneficial. The problem is getting counter over top a lazy Jab....so you have to be aware of your opponents distance and range, which an intelligent jab can help with.

    I see the lazy Jab as an effective tool for the right kind of style....fighters who switch up speed on their shots and throw combination punches more frequently would find more success utilizing this kid of jab if they are using it right.

    Unfortunately, most of the time it's just a bad habit or a costly mistake.
     
  9. FilipMNE

    FilipMNE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :rofl:lol::patsch Are you serious??? 400 + fights plus 12 pro fights and he won everything there is to win schooled P4P fighter, and you think you can see something that he doesnt see:nut He does everything on purpose he gets hit sometimes he outclassed Donaire but Donaire is proven elite fighter so he must land something. Dont get offended but its funny how you said i dont know does he realize it, be sure he does and if he doesnt Diaz sure sees it, but he uses it as bait and off course sometimes it doesnt work but be sure he is aware of everything you and I can see.
     
  10. Zacker

    Zacker Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I happen to agree with the other poster, he sometimes loses concentration. But Rigo is surely aware of that it happens. And the reason that it happens is probably exactly because he's already won everything

    Who knows what the future will look like for Rigo. In my view he "did it" already. I wonder how motivated he will be for future matches.
     
  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I don't think you can call a purposefully extended, non-committal jab "lazy". Lazy by definition means the person doesn't care to do it right or completely. It's a bad habit. Once it becomes a purposeful tool consciously extended it becomes something else; a feint, a range-finder, a trap, etc.
     
  12. igor_otsky

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    Trout did the lazy jab against Canelo, and canelosexuals see it as ineffective and boring
     
  13. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    hatton got flattened because of a lazy jab, just like pacquiao...

    if you gonna throw a punch, dont be lazy....
     
  14. RazorHandz

    RazorHandz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So would you call a stiff jab that is not brought back up lazy? I wouldn't.

    Off topic but your avatar = pedophile status. :lol: