DLH, Mosely are better fighters than Floyd all around.

I honestly think DLH ranks higher than Floyd. And prime for prime, DLH beats him as well.

 

How is Forrest not a major favourite at 147? He's got the nastiest style for Floyd this side of Thomas Hearns, a tall, lengthy counter puncher with good power?

Forrest knocks him the **** out, he hit a whole harder than Zab Judah does.

 

True. But does saying that Floyd would rip into EVERY single one of his opponents there, mean anything in relation to Shane vs Floyd at 135?

Terrible laid out argument, imo. Similar to A beats B and B beats C so A must beat C. Boxing doesn't work like that.

 

Okay, my bad...

 

He countered Mosley a whole hell of a lot more than he would Floyd. Floyd is a better defender, mover, counter-puncher, and overall a more cautious fighter than Mosley, who's chances of winning relied on getting tagged up to have a chance on the inside.

What the hell is it with you and Forrest anyway? He had a jab and good boxing skills, but zero adaptability. It takes more than that to KO Floyd the way I see it.

 

There was a thread on this a while back. I was the lone Forrest supporter on there who gave an in-depth analysis.

Forrest, pre Mayorga, had a superb jab, timing, good speed, and a healthy shoulder. Floyd wouldn't out jab him from the outside or win by potshotting. And his aggressive style he used to beat Judah would only put him at an even greater risk.

I've always thought Forrest clearly/decisively beats Floyd (or anybody else currently at 147 for that matter).

 

Mosely also has an incredible chin, Floyd's chin at 147 has never been tested fully, what we have to go off of is Zab landing a flush left hook and stunning him.

He'd keep Floyd off that long jab and would definitely land his best counter shots.

How is Floyd going to beat him? Pot shotting? Do you realise that Forrest himself has quite a solid defence also? A whole lot better than anybody Floyd's fought ever?

I think you overrate Floyd big time. All I know is that a top class jab can severely disrupt Floyd and a guy with great timing can counter him, Forrest has both and he had good power at Welter, superior to Zab's.

Floyd would get KOed. You don't even know what you are talking about here because you underrate Forrest by choice and I am guessing overrate Floyd because of the consistent Mayweather-love that has made everybody believe he's more than he is.

 

He had better power at 135, but not the kind of power necessary to put away Shane. Shane's chin is iron.

 

I also cannot believe people truly believe that a prime Mosely or DLH wouldn't beat Floyd at Welterweight especially, we're dealing with the vulnerable, pot shotting Welter version of Floyd versus these fantastic Welter's that H2H are pretty good in any era.

I've even seen some idiots who think Leonard and Duran wouldn't spark Floyd at 147.... what the **** is going on here.

Then the worst of all, some guys pick Hearns by 'close UD'.:rofl

They can't pick Joy Boy over Hearns but can't admit that he'd be KTFO early in the same right.

I keep hearing 'his defensive mastery', you guys are damn right he's a great defensive fighter, but we're dealing with ATG offensive boxers here that can crack any defence.

 

DLH almost never wins a major fight...yet he would beat Floyd in his prime? Mosley just doesnt have the skills nor style to beat Floyd at any point in his career...This thread is saturated with lunacy...

 

Very good

 

Shane's made out of steel, the shots he's taken over the years would have KOed a lot of lesser guys. That shot Forrest put him down with sounded like a baseball bat hitting concrete, then the shots he took from DLH and others.

Even aging, but not shot by any means, taking Cotto's best body punches and counters and not really even blinking.

He'd go right through Floyd prime to prime at any of the weight classes being talked about, especially 147, Floyd is pretty normal at 147, nothing dazzling like he was at the lower classes.

 

At 130, top notch.

At 135, good.

At 140, have no clue.

At 147, average.

 

OK, he also recovered quite quickly, and let's not pretend Judah has no power.

Again, Floyd's defense would allow him to do better than someone like Mosley, who was getting tagged up, and Floyd's overall style wouldn't lead to as many countering opportunities for Forrest.

And do you realize that Floyd has a FAR better defense than anyone Forrest has ever fought? His style doesn't play into Forrest's hands the way Mosley's does. I guess you could argue a past prime Quartey's shell defense was quite effective, especially seeing as he managed to handily outbox Forrest and get robbed.

Floyd has shown some susceptibility to a jab, yes, but not a huge weakness like you seem to make out. Oscar used the jab to get inside, not to keep Floyd at bay and pick him off, which would be quite difficult against someone as fast and adaptable as Floyd.

Now you're just being ridiculous.

 

I see ODLH that beat Rafael Ruelas and John John Molina beating with some difficulty but proving himself much stronger physically to JLC, Victoriano Sosa and Phillip NDou. Mosley that stopped Golden Johnson, Jesse James Leija and John John Molina, would do the same to NDou, Sosa and maybe even to Castillo... On the flipside, Floyd beats Holiday, Gomez, Ceballos, Ruiz, Morales, Leija, Golden Johnson and John Brown, Cal Griffith, John Avila and Genaro Hernandez easy. The one hard task would be John John Molina but Floyd would probably win close like he did to Castillo.

At welterweight, Floyd would have huge problems with Oscar's opposition in Pernel Whitaker, Ike Quartey, Felix Trinidad and Shane Mosley. he would beat David Kamau, Patrick Charpentier, Julio Cesar Chavez, Oba Carr, Derrel Colley and Arturo Gatti. He would handle with Mosley's opposition in Antonio Diaz, Shannan Taylor and Adrian Stone but not Vernon Forrest.

Above 147 pounds, Floyd beats Raul Marquez but loses to Winky Wright I'm afraid. Toys with Ricardo Mayorga, Javier Castillejo but struggles with Fernando Vargas, loses to Shane at 154. Hopkins eats Mayweather in six but Floyd should win a 12 round decision against Felix Sturm.

Of course, Oscar and Shane at their primes beat Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir and Ricky Hatton.