Are Most Trainer Overrated to Some Extent?

I think it matters, but during a crucial fight like with Murray and Sergio tonight, sometimes the trainer can give certain motivational words which can change the outcome. Angelo Dundee with Leonard when he fought Hearns back in 1981 comes to mind. How many guys can do that? Dundee could, Emanuel Steward could The great guys could.

 

Freddie in my opinion is very overrated. Most of the people who come to him are champions and have theri fundmanetal skills and movements down already (ie James Toney shoulder rolling, Khan was his amateur style, Pacquaio with his speed and flurries).

His advice in the corner is maybe the worst....Provodnikov, Pacman, Khan who were losing or hurt got the same one line "....alright son..iwant you to box" "alright son...you gotta knock him out." Nothing on his observations or adjustments to make that were practiced in training

To be fair at the end of the day there are huge fundmentals, ie holding, thinking situations beforehands through that a trainer can't train his fighter for. There are only so many scenerios and so much time to prepare

 

I used to laugh about Roach, but no, he's not overrated! Watch some videos.

 

I hate Pacquiao but Roach is a great trainer, his corner work isn't great but he's very knowledgeable he even knew the knockout was coming.

 

Agree with op. Trainers get too much credit or criticism. Once a fighter gets in that ring, it's up to him to implement the game plan and adjust. There is only so much a trainer can do.

 

I did. Unlike a lot of people I don't just randomly blurt **** out. I watched his entire training series. The crux of his entire strategy is 1) turn a fighter away from their power hand 2) punch THROUGH your punches. That can work in a lot of scenerios but can lead to your overreaching, dropping guards and KTFO like his fighters have at a higher level.

 

What the hell a ''shot'' trainer :?
There's no such thing

 

Trainers, as noted, are not magicians. They can't make caviar out of fish eggs, so to speak, but a good trainer can help a fighter improve.

The thing most people who have never coached don't get is that it isn't the same as working a puppet. You can tell a guy a thousand times not to drop his left hand when he throws his right, you can do drills like slapping him upside the head with a mitt when he does it, you can tie his left hand against his cheek with a string ... and then watch the guy make that mistake the first right hand he throws in a fight. It's maddening, I can tell you. Another guy, you can show him something once and *bang* he gets it and adjusts.

Most pro trainers regarded as great are strategists as much as anything. They game plan -- Futch was the best I've ever seen at it -- and they work to maximize their fighter's efficiency within his style and set of tools. I don't think a lot of the guys you see on TV working with multiple world champs are also teaching a 10-year-old how to hook off the jab in their spare time, though most of them have surely done that at some point to get to where they are at.

And there is so much to it -- a guy comes into 6-week training camp to get ready for a title fight and if he shows up 40 pounds overweight, the trainer is going to have to spend most of his time just getting the guy in proper shape. Another fighter comes into camp 10 or 12 pounds over and the weight comes off as they work on the game plan. When you see these guys in the ring, you might conclude that the first guy didn't do as good a job because he's not as sharp, when in reality the fighter shortchanged himself and the trainer might have done a very good job given who and what he had to work with.

 

The mark of a great trainer is one that can bring the best out of a fighter, whether he is average or great.

 

There are definitely some "shot" posters on ESB. Mostly all the chin-checkers.