Fedor (2003-2005) vs Jones (2011-2013)

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  1. Beekeeper

    Beekeeper Bedtime Story, Aoki Style Full Member

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    H8ers keep h8ing

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  2. yaca you

    yaca you Someone past surprise Full Member

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    OMG:yikes

    Are we talking about a 2003-05 Fedor here?
     
  3. Flea Man

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    James23; I was sincere. And I apologise as I didn't see the part about Jones' title challengers in respect to Fedor.

    Rashad though? Really?

    And yes I think Fedor would smash Rampage up much more impressively than Jones did.
     
  4. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes. Rashad would have a good chance if we assume he's not catatonic a la Nogueira. Prior to that his only losses were to Machida and Jones and a stellar record to go along with it.

    Fedor fighting in the cage with at least an equally fast and equally strong fighter who has far superior wrestling would prove difficult in both the clinch against the cage and on his back as Rashad has excellent defensive BJJ and has shown no weakness to submissions.

    Thinking he'd be a slighter greater than 50% chance against Fedor is not crazy when put into context. Please note, as I must considering if I don't then people go off the rails with wild and asinine assumptions about what I don't say, that I am not saying Fedor can't win but I am saying I would favor Rashad, statistically, in a cage considering the cage vs. ring dynamic, which people seem to fail to do. Reliably.
     
  5. yaca you

    yaca you Someone past surprise Full Member

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    This is pure nonesense. Rashad would get smashed. Cant say I get where your coming from at all. If you think Fedor loses to Rashad then he must get completely destroyed by Jones who does everything better than Rashad Evans!

    Also Machida loses badly to PRIME Fedor. Fedor dominated the golden era heavyweight division but had he competed in the lightheavyweight division against much older smaller fighters he would lose?
     
  6. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Rashad beating a prime Fedor???


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  7. James23

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    Yes, of course it is nonsense. I list anyone against Fedor and obviously the answer is, "He'd smash him," or "He'd submit him with his other worldly ground game." I sometimes like to live in a fantasy world too but I also know when to come back to reality.

    I did not say Fedor for sure loses to Rashad but rather, given their respective styles, I'd ever so slightly favor Rashad to win most likely a UD. I clearly delineate my reasons while you simply state, "Pffft, he'd smash him!" A brilliant argument. And yes, if Fedor were to win that hypothetical fight it would most likely be with his classic wild 1 punch KO.

    And Fedor did not "dominate" the golden era of heavyweights. He was dominate in some victories but to say he dominated them all is hyperbole. I've seen all of his fights from the beginning of Pride. Even Matt Lindland gave him a hell of a fight, a middleweight. Though I guess selective memory is what suits you, so be it. And just because Cain Velasquez dominated Junior dos Santos and other heavyweights I wouldn't for a second think that he could therefore do the same to some Light Heavyweights. But feel free to make the reverse assumption.

    Your rationale of Machida losing because Fedor beat some great heavyweights is an extremely poor one as we have examples of fighters winning against great fighters in higher weight classes and dropping down and then losing. Your argument is ridiculous and simply holds no merit.
     
  8. yaca you

    yaca you Someone past surprise Full Member

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    Being dominate is not always about controlling your opponent from the opening bell to victory.

    Sure fedor didnt dominate every minute of every round but he did dominate the heavywieght division. Your living fantasy land if you think his time at the top wasnt dominant. Similar to Andersons reign so far being dominant. Fedor did not almost get kimora'd by hunt their were a few submission attempts that didnt trouble him. then Fedor sumitted hunt. Randleman slammed Fedor on his head couple minutes later he was tappin. Coleman controled Fedor against the ropes and got a takedown. Minute later he was tappin. Goodrige got his ass kicked, Nog got his ass kicked, cro-cop got his ass kicked. Fujita landed a solid right that made Fedor do the stinky leg. 2 minutes later, he was tapping to a RNC.

    Matt lindland was never in the fight vs fedor. Watch the fight again.

    You beat 80% of you Pride competition by submission.The rest you beat down in a 1 sided unanmous decision thats called being dominant.

    I get what your saying but your wrong; Fedor beats the **** out of Evans. Fedor's got the skillset to beat Rashad everywhere...hes also a much, much better fighter. No need to say more than that.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Machida didn't dominate Shogun or Rampage.
     
  10. Overhill

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    Mouth watering match up..

    Fedor with quite a bit heavier (pair of flying) fists at this point of JJ' career.

    Hopefully Jones moves up soon. Werdum would be great opening opponent.
     
  11. Flea Man

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    Would love to see Jones take a Bonnar-esque exhibition fight against Mitrione. Jones took exception to Meatheads comments about Fallon Fox, and Mitrione is quick for a big guy but beatable for a fighter of Jones' quality coming in at 225-230 or summat.

    When Jones eventually makes the leap to heavy I'll be interested to see how he looks physically because from what he's said he'll be putting the weight on right. Will be very interesting to see a bigger 'Bones' versus guys bigger than him.

    Funny thing is I can see him being beastly there too. Guy is a freak fighter as well as athlete, a nightmare personified.
     
  12. dillinja

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    You have not given any evidence ina ny of your psots just your opinion, do you actually understand what evidence means:huh
    Also its obvious that guys like shogun and rampage were not at there peak, shogun running through the middleweight grand prix and then joens beating him after terrible knee injuries and loses to forrest griffin etc.:rofl
     
  13. dillinja

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    Id love to see that but frank mir instead
     
  14. boranbkk

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    :lol:

    Honestly Win, I'm not being naughty he's just so damn ugly and to be honest I really haven't seen much of him and the stuff I've seen is mostly when he's destroying people on the ground with those nasty elbows.

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    Great post Haggis, I really get the picture, thanks.

    I'm familiar with freaks of nature dominating a division through their awkwardness. Jones is a bit reminiscent of a famous Thai ATG fighter named Diesel Noi, who and a surprisingly similar build and was a very very awkward knee specialist. Except for a few losses he basically went unbeaten for most if his career and was forced out of the fight game due to his dominance, sad really.

    I want questioning Jones effectiveness as he's clearly very brutally effective
    when he's in control, was just wondering what he's like on his feet when someone brings it & and curious as to how he puts it all together as he looks so awkward. :good
     
  15. 196osh

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    I think Fedor would knock Jones out.

    The Rashad thing is ridiculous the man just has not shown the skills required to beat a prime Fedor.