when a fighter has to fight 15 rounds instead of 12 he conditions and paces himself for 15 rounds, the point is he found a way to win and as far as age very few heavyweights were in the condition of JJ Walcott at 37 and I guess since that time we have had many older so the age factor in retrospect is not really an issue, in fact that Walcott upsets many an ATG heavyweight. By the way I wonder how many of the heavyweights in the last few years would lose if they were fighting 15 rounds instead of 12, 15 is tougher than 12, guys like Lennox and Tyson (only 1 TKO Ribalta) never stopped a man after 8 so the longer pace means something And as far as age today's boxing top 12 this is the ages 41 years old Vitali 37 Vlad 31 Pulev 36 Adamak 34 Silvane 41 Thompson 33 Povetkin 33 Solis 30 Banks only Fury 24 and Helenius 29 are under 30
Marciano fought 7 15 rounders. Archie Moore 18 Don Cockell 7 Ezzard Charles 15 (2 against Marciano) Roland LaStarza 1 Jersey Joe Walcott 8 (2 against Marciano) Marciano and all his opponents their combined record: 49+218+80+117+65+69=598 fights Just 8-8.5% of their fights were 15 rounders. That's really not that much. If instead of taking only Marciano his 15 round opponents but all his opponents + his opponent opponents (his whole era), the % of 15 rounders sinks down to 2% max. The heavyweights had to train for 15 rounders in the past is pretty much a myth except for the heavyweights who were truly on the top. 15 rounders being gone is not the reason why most modern day top 10 heavyweights are older/fatter/bigger. Fat boxers is the cause of a lack of dedication, not a lack of 15 rounders. Boxers being older is likely the cause of modern healthcare and having a healthier youth overall, not a lack of 15 rounders. Boxers getting bigger is the cause of overal better nutrition and their are relatively less poor people overal in boxing. (Poor people are on average shorter than rich people because they tend to have a better diet in their youth), and again 15 rounders have nothing to do with it.
Marciano's last 4 opponents before he fought his first 15 rounder Harry Matthews Bernie Reynolds Gino Buonvino Lee Savold Only had Lee Savold fought 15 rounders (a grand total of 2) In 356 fights for these 4 guys, just 2 15 rounders.(Didn't check if they fought each other but statistically that would have minimal impact) That's rounded up 0,6% of all their fights being 15 rounders......
If heavyweights of the past trained for 15 rounders while most guys never had them or such a low amount that they could have trained for it when the moment of fighting a 15 rounder finally came. (Sorry if my sentences are ugly, English isn't my native tongue) Then they would have been idiots. Meanwhile thanks to all those minor belts, boxers who would be fighting 10 rounders in the past are now fighting 12 rounders. (Like the [url]WBC International Silver heavyweight title[/url]) (If I ever find the time I might compare how much rounds Wlad(or Lewis as Wlad isn't retired yet) his opponents and his opponents opponents on average "trained for" and the compare it to Marciano his era.) And put it in a nice graph.
He was in a world title fight and he was a man who preferred to take care of business earlier rather than later... oh yeah, I'm real sure it was his plan to get decked in the first round, then procede to trail for the next 12, before finding that one punch. , Yes, just as soon as his aging foe tired enough for him to find and land that one big punch. By the standards of THOSE days, perhaps. Sure it is.. Are you going to tell me that Joe Walcott is as good as Bernard Hopkins or Lennox Lewis? Yet he lost to a good number of men in his own era, and yes he was prime for some of those fights. How many 15 round fights did most guys back then ACTUALLY fight in? You make it sound like it was the given standard every time a man entered a boxing ring. And as far as age today's boxing top 12 this is the ages Nice attempt at a statistical rebuddle.. Problems is: 1. I never said anything about the 2000's era being strong. 2. None of those guys you listed had 16 losses or were ever given the opportunity to show that they could wale on a so called prime ATG for 12 rounds. Frankly, I think Wlad and Vitali would do quite well against Marciano, even at age 37 & 41
Absolutely, I can just picture a conversation taking place in the locker room before the fight, and Charlie Goldman telling his puncher of a fighter exactly this: CHARLIE GOLDMAN " okay rock', we don't want this guy to catch on to our plan too early. Let him build some cofidence... Hell let him put you down once early and get a nice lead for the judges.. around the 13th or 14th, we'll catch the ******* off guard, and it'll be good night sweet prince."
Its a nice spin but not applicable. Marciano needed to et Walcott out of tere at a certain point. Tat point would ave come earlier if it was a twelve round fit. Same applies to Leonard-earns and oter suc classics.
Frazier would shock everyone with how ordinary he would make Marciano appear, that's before he knocked him out. Marciano never fought a Joe Frazier.
I'm literally LOLing at Marciano being KO'd.. just don't see it.. I see a stoppage on cuts long long before I see a KO
Joe Frazier was the bigger man and fought bigger men. Among the men he pushed around were Muhammad Ali (see in the first fight where Ali attempts to lie on the rope and Frazier throws him off of them) and he was also on even terms with George Chuvalo. By all accounts those are two fantastically strong men. If Marciano was as strong or stronger, I certainly don't see when he proved that. His top flight competition may have been ****ing skilled, but they are lacking in size. You can't say the same for Frazier.
Wouldn't be as close a fight as some think. Marciano was a force in an era when most heavyweights were well under 200 lbs. He didn't have the size, speed, skills or reach to compete with the top, young fighters post-1960. Frazier stops him within 5.
