Floyd Mayweather Legacy Discussion

Oh, Pacquiao was champion, don't get me wrong. But he wasn't a genuine fly, he could just cut down with the extra day. He was massive.

Ripcity lost all credibility when he said Pacquiao 'barely beat' Barrera. But to entertain his hypothesis, no I'm not as impressed with Floyd on film as everyone else is.

Brilliant, obviously, but there are plenty of welters I'd pick to beat him, a few lightweights, but not any super feathers, not that I'd outright favour, no.

I don't think I'm underrating him as everyone thinks I am.

 

If Flea hasn't pointed out a lack of wins over varied enough stylists yet, the thread has failed to deliver.

 

I just can't be asked to field questions from the extremists again.

 

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Are you sure that didn't happen quite a long time ago? Surely he was referring only to Marquez here? :blood

 

Maybe he was, but I assumed he wasn't as he was trying to build him up as a scalp for Mayweather.

Who unlike McLarnin against Ross and Pea Vs Chavez, did not uphold the pre-fight weight stipulation, even with a day in to rehydrate :-( He loses a lot of respect for that, in fact I'm considering taking him out of the top 200 of all time. If he beats 'roided up Marquez in a similar fashion I would rank it among his best wins, that version just looked downright shoddy.

 

This creates a lot of debate. However what can be said is that Floyd Joy Mayweather Junior is the best of his era full stop. The truth is that some of the fighters of past generation like Kid Gavilan, Charley Burley etc are better than what is around today but that is not Mayweather's fault. The haters will demand Alvarez next and all they are doing will lead Alvarez to a high profile defeat. Alvarez who I have seen live in the flesh is developing nicely but at age 22 does not need Floyd yet and his chances will improve a year from now. A smart move would be for him to fight Cotto next.

A thought. Have people wondered whether Pacman's performances have started declining since the blood testing thing went into over drive!

 

Over drive? Drug testing in boxing is still an oxymoron. It is in no one's interest (with power in the sport), to push this issue at the moment. Until we (the fans) decide we want something done, nothing will be.

Thus I disagree with your statement.

 

I think that floyd's best three opponents are Castillo, Oscar and Cotto. They gave him his 3 toughest fights.

If we're to do the eye test with anyone in their best winning performance I think he does somewhat fall short here.

 

hmmm actually how do the top ten copmpare with what i said?

robinson - lamotta
whittaker - nelson
jones jr - toney
armstrong - ross
duran - leonard
leonard - duran
hearns - duran
ali - foreman
pep - famechon?
hagler - hearns

it's hard arguing floyd in that sort of company given the sort of names defeated. pep seems a bit out of that league also, unless there's a better fight of his out there?

 

i was torn between the liston and foreman fights.

Heavyweights can come off great in this kinda system as well: Tyson - Spinks; Liston - Patterson; Foreman - Frazier.

I guess you can detract due to size advantage but on their best night each of these looked better than Floyd ever did imo.

 

On the flipside mayweather never lost to someone of young or douglas's level so if are to factor in the worst person to beat them Floyd comes off better.

I'm just tired of my lists being dominated by research. It's much more fun watching the fighter and discussing if he's better than another fighter.

 

He doesn't have the wins over fellow greats to get too high on the list.

 

Biggest issue with Floyd is that he didn't fight the other best fighter of his era and he could have. floyd ducked the other great fighter of his era when i think it would have been a 50/50 chance. I'll never rate floyd in top 25 for that reason. but this type of list is almost impossible to compile. i would have to rate manny higher than floyd. manny won titles in 8 weight classes.and sugar ray robinson was GOAT IMO youtube will demonstrate that fact to you.

 

I'm a bit past labelling boxers a ducker or not. There's no way on earth Floyd is scared of fighting anyone. I doubt that mentality even exists within him.

where I to add 4 names to his resume it would be freitas, tszyu, margarito and pacman. Whether they'd be enough to qualify his status remains to be seen.

 

It's a pity he never ran into a great at 130 where he was a seriously impressive fighter.

He may string out the smoke and mirrors show he has going for the next few years but let's be serious, if he runs into a very good welterweight he'll probably be Hopkins-Calzaghe'd and if he runs into a great one it's curtains.

As to where he stands all time, he gets a lot of credit for his dominance and longevity and his resume is not bad, but is a far way back from the best.

You could have him quite high if you place a premium on ability and dominance over resume, but if you put a higher store on resume it's hard to see him cracking a top 50.