I thought Guerrero said that GOD is going to be big in this fight?

He sounds like a genuine dumbass to me...

 

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iajtmEFfM6I

 

I don't take tidbits from the bible. I read the entire thing, in it's context. I don't think Harry Potter taught people things like they are blessed by God to bless other people. The world uses the term "You reap what you sowe" you know where that came from? THE BIBLE originally. It's a principle of God, made by God, and even the bible God says "TEST ME and SEE IF I WON'T BLESS YOU!" One of the only things that ever says test me.
I've tried it. About 5 years ago I started giving 10% of my earnings to my local church (the bible says to give your tithe... Which means 10%). I also give at least 1% to a charity I feel like I'm suppose to give too. and I probably give another 5-6% to my normal organizations (Christian radio station, Food for the Hungry, Humane Society, etc).
I do all that and I constantly get better and better jobs, get raises, save unexpected $ on something, somebody blesses me with something I need. Things don't always go perfect (something comes up, something breaks), but God has always been faithful to me in blessing me and meeting my needs (to help me, and use me to bless others). Meanwhile I hear people that make more $ than I do and maybe less bills and complain how broke they are.

This is one example of something that God says, even though it don't make sense I gave it a shot, and no matter what... Even if the world sees me as wasting a good 15% of my income it definitely doesn't seem that way when I look at my bank acct. Plus, I feel great knowing I've helped others.

 

It's amusing the things you find profound. "You reap what you sow" is just the concept of karma. When considered as some sort of cosmic justice, it's bull**** because you can't prove doing evil leads to negative consequences (blight) or that doing good leads to blessing, but in the real world, it's simply cause and effect--no magical being involved to dole out reward and punishment.

By the way, the idea of karma, which probably originated in India, predates Christianity. Excuse me for not being blown away by this particular scribbling from your book of fairytales.

You're a sucker, though I commend your giving to the Humane Society.

I understand now. You're a Gospel of Prosperity Christian: the perfect union of capitalistic greed and convenient religion. Pick and choose the parts that appeal to your pragmatism as you listen to a preacher who doesn't reference but one or two percent of the verses the Bible contains.

:barf:-(

You attempt to do right (while wasting most of your charitable contributions on the church itself) for all the wrong reasons. You're still a ******* inside and nothing like your savior.

 

You have to understand:

God wants men to punch each other repeatedly in the face. He made us that way with his intelligent design. The same way he made all men love guns. The same way he made it so most animals die screaming in the jaws of other animals.

Intelligent design!



- but I digress .........

 

Allahu Akbar

 

You know... I'm glad I do read my bible, and study how Jesus was patient with people, loving, etc because if I didn't things like that could make me upset. However, I do, and I'm not upset. I'll pray for you regardless of the words you speak to me... If you didn't have issues you would not have to make yourself feel better by saying things like I'm a hypocrit. A hypocrit is somebody who tells people to do one thing and does another. I never claimed to be perfect, by all means I'm not even close, and don't tell people to do something that I'd go and do.
As for "wasting money" to my church. My life has turned around better in every way since going. As I said I'm patient with people, my life is joyful, don't have many fears, worries, doubts because I know God will take care of me (call it magic if you will), and he always does. If God would want me to help and bless other people... Why would he have me broke and down and out? That doesn't glorify God. I'm speaking about him and meanwhile riding around in a beat old wagon of a car, or a house that is sunk in to the ground, or rags for clothes, etc. People look at me and hear about how I praise God and say *WHAT HAS HE DONE FOR YOU?!* Much like a human father, who isn't perfect wants good things for his children... God, who is perfect, wants good things for his.
My church started out with about 100 people and now they have 600 since I've been going 5 years ago. I get the joy of seeing other people, besides myself, get freedom from God. That is what I pay for. For my church to outgrow it's building and have to build another one to accomodate more people. That is what I pay for. People will sink tons of $ in a slot machine that typically isn't going to pay out much, and I get the joy of paying to watch people around me grow in a positive way.
and NO. I am not my savior, Jesus Christ. Again, he was perfect, no matter how much $ I give or how many people I try to bless, no matter how many bad habits I break, I'm not even close. If any of us were we wouldn't need him.

 

Attributing the course your life has taken to your faith and some sense of cosmic justice thanks to unrelated charity (eg. your donations to your church leading to a promotion) is classic magical thinking (which has lined the church's coffers for many centuries.) There can be no causation that involves an actor that even the faithful consider to not be of the physical realm (the only realm we know to exist.)

So do I, which is why I don't mind taking time out to speak against religion. Freedom from god is the ultimate state of bliss.

 

http://vimeo.com/m/63016718

 

So do I, which is why I don't mind taking time out to speak against religion. Freedom from god is the ultimate state of bliss.[/QUOTE]

You mean running into hell blind folded

 

mayweather is not a satanist...

i think pbf is christian???.....if he is, then guerrero was right....

 

I love when jesus freaks get a dose of reality

 

Something I didn't address earlier. I spoke about reaping and sowing and you said karma predated it. Christianity only existed after Christ died (which is the new testament). Before Christ, the old testament, there was no such thing as christianity, only a beleif in the one true god. SO, yeah I'd say karma and reaping and sowing was before christians. It is found in the old testament, and nobody knows how old exactly the old testament was.
Besides, whether it is "reaping and sowing" or "karma" as you have stated... Ask yourself, why does it work that way? If Karma is doing good things and good things will happen, and doing bad things that will bite you in the butt why does it work like that? Sometimes we do bad things and nobody but us know about it and it usually comes back to us? Why would it do that? No way to explain it except being a principle of God, higher power, "MAGIC" , etc. In order to be Magic there has to be a willing Magician. Who is the Magician?

BTW: Brother as far as me succeeding through magic, or my church succeeding through magic (when you don't even stop to think who makes the magic work) I'll gladly take. This magic (which I call the favor of God) works for me... I just pray you found/ find something that works for you. Hard to deny success., especially when the success doesn't make any sense to the world.

 

There are similar phrases in Job but the most direct version of the phrase is from Galatians (a Christian book). Why you find it so profound is still a mystery. Anyway, more is known about the authorship of the Bible than you realize as a typical Christian. The only bible scholarship is the academic kind. Read about the documentary hypothesis. Check out Richard Elliott Friedman's "Who Wrote the Bible?" He also has a newer book on the same idea, but I haven't read it yet so can't vouch for it.

My point is it doesn't work like that. Cosmic justice is bull****. Bad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. Your suggestion that's there's actually a real causative effect here is laughable. A scientific study would not bear this theory out.

There is no magic. Nothing makes the magic work, because it doesn't work.

This is perhaps the most amusing debate on religion I've had in a long time. We're actually debating if magic works or not.

Unbelievable.