Educate me on roy jones?

Vaca was a nice win for the up and coming Jones, but pretty meaningless in terms of Jones' overall resume. Vaca's win over Honeyghan should have an asterisk alongside it, and his limitations were exposed against Brown and in the rematch with Honeyghan. Good fighter, but a level below the best welters of the 80s.

Castro is a far more meaningful win and often overlooked.

 

Amazing amazing fighter, doesnt have the deepest resume but its not "bad" as haters here say, schooled guys like Toney and Hopkins not an easy task, watch those two fights to see how good he is against top level opponents, and i recommend you his fight against Virgil Hill!

 

Could do things in the ring that no one before or since could do.

Was just otherworldly in his prime

 

Haven't done a proper post in about six months, but here goes...

Roy Jones Junior was raised to Box. Erik Morales was born in a Boxing gym, but Jones was raised on a farm in Pensacola Florida. He saw Roosters fight, Dogs fight, etc. The notion of fighting was bread in Jones' psyche from a very young age.

Now, Jones' father, Roy Sr would begin training his son at around about six. Started by just play fighting, sometimes he'd let Roy win, others he'd give him a bit of a going over. Jones has been quoted as saying that all he'd think about at school the next day, was how he'd beat his father that night.

Sr trained a bunch of local fighters an children, all of whom he treated better than his son, and by the same token; didn't hold to as high a standard. In their personal training sessions, Jones Sr would use barbaric methods to ensure that his son got his drills perfect. Cracking him with a lead pipe as he ran suicides, leaving boards with exposed nails up top as Jones bobbed and weaved. If he felt Jones was starting to rely on his right hand too much, then he'd tie it behind his back, and force him to spar without it.

The methods worked. Sr is quoted as saying If you want someone to be extraordinary, then you can't apply ordinary methods. Jones became one of the greatest Amateur talents in the world. Culminating in a farce at the 1998 Olympics in Seoul, Korea where he was robbed of a gold medal.

Enough of the back drop. Jones was so athletically gifted, that hardly anybody could touch him. Not a Green Hopkins, nor James Toney who some had ranked at number one, P4P before Jones won every second of every round against him.

The physical talents were so wonderful that some didn't note the finer parts of Roy's game. He was so smart in there, he anticipated things before they happened (he still does this in his commentary, appearing to see things ahead of time.) in short, he had an elevated understanding of Boxing.

The flaw is that his resume doesn't match his talent. Later in his career he's taken on all comes, seemingly for the pay check. This is the grade of opposition he should of sought in his prime. Then again it's arguable that if he did face and beat them with ease, we'd still have the 'who did he fight?' argument. He's missing a LHW fight with DM, and a 2001 re-match with Hopkins. There's also an argument for messers Benn and Eubank, but that's a long tangled mess.

In terms of Prime H2H ability, Jones has to be near the top of ANY list in Boxing history. It's that consensus which props him to a top 25 ATG spot, rather than his resume which is actually in itself, under rated.

 

Super Middleweight RJJ is as close as unbeatable gets.

 

a great fighter with amazing reflexes. Incredible, who still handpicked a little because he could and still is regarded as great. Beat great fighters McCallum,Toney,Hill. Fought better guys and tougher guys consistently at the end of his career.

 

I have watched many fighters on film, Roy Jones is hands down the best fighter to ever live based on ability.. The variety punches he could throw, moving forward, backing up, and still defend himself with pure reflex is unparalleled... Ali, Leonard, Robinson, Whitaker or Mayweather just were not there.

His resume doesn't quite stack up with the very greatest, but it is underrated. He did miss some good fighters, but he did get two of the best in his generation near their best at a young age, and in my opinion better than anyone he didn't fight... He also beat many world champions, and collected multiple belts from MW to HW. He pretty much went 50-0 (discounting the DQ loss when he was well on his way to winning) till his mid 30's...



The failed drug test does raise question and rightfully so. But it was inconclusive, not enough facts are known about it that usually are known about a failed test.. As I realize that, I also believe that no steroids made him what he was.. There were other fighters busted that fought Roy and looked nothing like Roy.. I think what was great about him was natural, once in a lifetime talent..

 

Roy jones jr was the most talented fighter who ever lived, period, he dominated guys like James toney and Bernard Hopkins in his prime, and made it look easy. In his prime Roy was god, superman, and goku put together, he makes mayweather and Andre ward look like cab drivers.

 

H2h G.O.A.T.

 

Roy Jones Jr was given #88 by Burt Sugar

superhuman abilities, but much of resume consists of an unglamorous & dreary
light heavyweight division

finally gaining a heavyweight title was a historical achievement,
..before becoming pure crapness back at 175 and wherever

 

Anyone who wants to see what unreal talent in boxing looks like should watch Ali, Tyson, ,Naz, Pep, the Sugar Rays and Roy Jones.

 

Sjs19, I would argue RJJ was greener than Hopkins who was older and had more pro fights.

 

All his fights are on youtube

Surely you don't need the input of trolls and haters because that's all your gonna get here.

Jones is an ATG

 

Roids. but because he was quite good he gets a free pass. atsch

 

they used to call Lance Armstrong superman too.