Role reversals in PAC Marquez 4

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  1. macalpinerules

    macalpinerules Active Member Full Member

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    I think a faire narrative of Pacquiao Marquez 4 is is one of role reversals. It seemed to me in the 4th figt that Pacquiao decided to become the boxer and Marquez the power puncher. In the end both guys had success doing what they did, but obviously more so Marquez. But why? Why did Pacquiao decide to try to outbox Marquez and why did Marquez abandon his usually patient and technical style for a riskier one?

    Also do you think that the success that Pacquiao had playing the boxer had to do with Marquez searching for more power punch opportunities than usual. In other words, if the same Marquez from the previous three fights came, would Manny's attempt at boxing been shut down?
     
  2. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know about Pacquiao but I think Marquez switched up because in the previous 3 fights the decision didn't go his way.
     
  3. Slickstar

    Slickstar Crisp This Full Member

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    Marquez believed he could only win by KO after being robbed
     
  4. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Yes, it was a good example of role reversal.

    Marquez decided to sit down on his punches because he was tired of getting G'd by the judges.

    Pacquiao decided to box because Marquez has always had success by neutralizing Pac's punching angle by circling. Pacquiao mixed in his feints, footwork, and punch variation so that he had more success getting his shots off and jumping out of range than ever before. Though that's Manny's usual style really, throwing lead lefts, stepping out, coming back with a combination, countering the jab with a left straight or right hook, jumping side to side.
     
  5. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What? Pacquiao tried to box and counter punch in the 3rd fight. In the 4th fight he didnt try to box, he went for the kill and showed signs of the Pac from their first fight. Both camps were lookings for the knockout and Pac got over anxious, almost getting himself knocked out after he put Marquez down in the 5th. That right hand Marquez landed nearly spun him around. The 1 punch KO was more of the same. Pac made a crucial mistake in his mission to stop Marquez.
     
  6. Scrap21

    Scrap21 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao was going for the KO aswell. But boy did Marquez really sat down on his punches. Marquez was not throwing his patented combos because he was loading up with his shots.
     
  7. nes01

    nes01 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This.

    Pacquiao was NOT boxing in this fight as he did in fight 3. To think that is real blind-sighttedness, boxing ignorance, or simply just a lack of familiarity with Pac's style.
     
  8. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    In the third fight, they expected Marquez to come out throwing long strings of combinations and oblige them the opportunity to counter. That didn't happen. In the 4th, Pac baited JMM into countering him and then committed to his counters, and then capitalized with aggression.
     
  9. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    :deal
     
  10. Villain

    Villain Active Member Full Member

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    Both guys were throwing bombs this time. Regardless of what the sack hugging portion of fans think on either side, both boxers know either one of them could have been knocked out in that fight. Juan got there first.
     
  11. 6uanaco

    6uanaco GUANACO DA KING Full Member

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    First off I would like to say, this fight was a ****in classic. Forget the result,put that aside and just marvel at 2 ATG boxers of all time just go at it but...use boxing fundamentals to go at it like wild dogs. Boxing at its full potential added by a full out war.

    2nd of all...Ok that's it.
     
  12. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    :deal
     
  13. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good
     
  14. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, Marquez' trainer Nacho said after the 3rd fight i believe, that Pac was not as wild as when he was at the lighter weights and that Pac was more calculated, therefore favored Marquez who could read his movements easier.

    Marquez fought the same way in the 4th as he did the 3rd fight except every right hand he threw was with the sole purpose of knocking Pac out. So he had to sit down and be less mobile which allowed Pac to also land some killer shots. Pac came with a ferocity that we havnt seen for years but he was being set up and walked into a trap all night.
     
  15. Abraham

    Abraham Textbook beauty Full Member

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    Yes, it was a good example of role reversal.

    Marquez decided to sit down on his punches because he was tired of getting G'd by the judges.

    Pacquiao decided to box because Marquez has always had success by neutralizing Pac's punching angle by circling. Pacquiao mixed in his feints, footwork, and punch variation so that he had more success getting his shots off and jumping out of range than ever before. Though that's Manny's usual style really, throwing lead lefts, stepping out, coming back with a combination, countering the jab with a left straight or right hook, jumping side to side.