Ingemar Johansson vs Sonny Liston

I dont see anything that INGO has that is better than Liston. Ingo was not known for a big heart and lacked experience, I think he was too stand up for Liston. Ingo could punch but not the best at taking it (Patterson) I think other than a punch Ingo was ordinary. Ingo did not have the right hand power of Louis,Baer,Marciano,Schmeling and I favor Liston Big

 

saying ingo could not take a punch is like saying the left hooks that floyd put him down with would not have knocked anyone else out. posibly the best left hooks ever.

I just think liston v ingo a tough fight for both -on paper.

brian london may have hurt ingo at the end of his career but london was beter than he looked in title fights. for a light puncher brian knocked out 26 0f the 37 he beat. london beat and knocked out roger richser in one round. quicker and before liston did the trick in 3rnds against the same guy. london went the distance with a peak quarry and also beat von clay, peter mcneely, young jack johnson and was the 3rd man to ever ko olympian radmacher who was unbeaten in 7 after losing to floyd and folley in his first 2 bouts. radmacher went on to beat chuvalo so even he was not that bad.

 

I don't think this is valid. Most of these losses/draws came when Machen and Folley were past there primes. The only one to defeat Machen in his prime was Johansson, and the only one to defeat Folley was Cooper. Folley and Machen were early bloomers(especially machen) who primed early on.

Did you watch the fight? I thought Folley got robbed. The decision reeked of hometown bias.

 

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Watch the fight Folley proved he could outbox Cooper he outjabbed him for three rounds then because he floored him he forgot his boxing and just tried to land the ko punch.

"For the first three rounds Folley out jabbed me,and caught me well,and most people were saying , "Thats all over", I had one or two cuts on my face,and when he put me down in the third round I didn't have a price.But it was then that he made his big mistake.When I got up he went right hand crazy.He forgot his boxing and just wanted to stop me by throwing right hands".Henry Cooper.

I think this explains it.

 

hysterical!! :yep maybe that spray only works on real trolls rather than those you dont agree with.:think

do you think floyds left hooks that knocked out ingo wouldnt knock out anyone else susan?

 

Folley and Machen went 1-3-1 against European champions. Only Machen against Mildenberger was clearly on the downhill path. Both were at their peaks in 1958 when Machen lost to Ingo and Folley to Cooper.

Folley was still a top level fighter when he fought the draw with Mildenberger. This fight came in the middle of a long winning streak between the Terrell and Ali fights. He entered the Mildenberger fight shortly after beating George Chuvalo and Billy Daniels, and would go on to defeat Oscar Bonavena, Bob Foster, and Henry Clark in his next few fights. I think with his flat-footed style, with little quickness but very sound basic boxing skills, Folley was a fighter who aged well.

The bottom line for me is that in five fights with Euro champions, Folley and Machen managed one victory. There is no way to spin that into superiority.

 

Not doing something doesn't prove you can do it.

Folley did not outbox Cooper. The film excerpts are pretty clear about that. I think Cooper had the better left and Folley would lose a left hand battle more often than not. It was his right which gave him the shot and which won him the second fight. I would consider a rubber match to have been a toss-up.

I don't know what context this quote comes from, but Cooper and his management clearly thought he could handle Folley, or WHY DID THEY AGREE TO AN UNNECESSARY REMATCH? He had a victory banked over the man. Folley was coming off a ko defeat to Lavorante. There couldn't have been a great demand for him as a Cooper foe.

 

Put on the full fight and I'll score it. The excerpts on youtube do not include Cooper's best rounds off the AP report, the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th.

 

Cooper admits himself that Folley was outboxing him,how much proof do you need?
The quote comes from Cooper's own autobiography.

 

Exactly. I think people make too much of the fact that Ingmar was beaten twice by Floyd. Just becaue fighter A can beat fighter B, and fighter B can beat fighter C, it does not mean fighter A can beat fighter C. I am not a big Johannsen fan, but if he caught Sonny with that big right, who knows?

 

you may be the first person in history to try to put together a sound, objective argument in favour of brian london. it didn't work, but thank you for trying

 

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