Matthyse or Peterson who u got???

I think Matthysse stops him around the 10th round in an action packed fight, Peterson will stand toe to toe and come off worse, plus people talk about Matthysse being slow and having no boxing skills but I just don't see it, he's not a crude slugger like Maidana, he cuts the ring off great and works the body and head very well plus hes got freakish power.

But Peterson is awesome too so may the best man win.

 

Some are too quick to label fighters as cheaters. He had a valid medical problem. Remember, it was he, not Khan, who asked for random testing in their rematch. He was cleared by the IBF who had an independent physician look at all the evidence.

 

Valid medical problem? Show me the certificate of this 'valid medical problem'.

It doesn't matter if he asked for it. For all we know, him and his team were testing the system to see if it could catch them. It didn't for the first fight, which was covered by USADA. Doesn't matter how legit his problem is, the drug he took was illegal. Whether he knew or not is down to him. He's a certified cheat and he'll always be looked at that way. And if he was really clear, why did he deny at least three appearances in front of the NSAC?

 

This is a good read on the whole Peterson story.


According to Dr. Thompson, who practices neuromusculoskeletal medicine, hyperbaric medicine and undersea medicine at his Desert Oasis clinic in Las Vegas, NV, Peterson suffers from severely low testosterone. It should be noted that when determining hypogonadism, a long series of multiple tests conducted by a board certified endocrinologist, which Dr. Thompson is not, would be much more appropriate.

“[Peterson’s levels] were the levels of a 70-80 year old man,” Dr. Thompson told Maxboxing.com. “You measure testosterone in the blood in two fractions. The total testosterone and we also measure something called the free testosterone. This is the most important is the free not the total. The free is not bound and that’s the testosterone that is doing the work in the body. So the norm is 9.3-26.5 normal range and his came back at 7.5. The lab put an alert on there because he was lower than low. I’ve seen several patients over the years and I have never seen a 26-27 year old male with free testosterone that low.”

On November 12, 2011, roughly four weeks before he was scheduled to face Amir Khan in Washington, DC, Peterson went to Thompson’s Las Vegas, Nevada Desert Oasis clinic where he was injected into his left buttock with one soy-based testosterone pellet. The dose was 800 milligrams for a slow release of up to five months. According to Team Peterson, this was the first and last time he has had the procedure done despite major news outlets reporting otherwise. His trainer was aware of the treatment.

“I was aware of the doctors. The first time the doc really checked him, he checked him for parasites. And once he saw there were no parasites in his blood, he gave him a test to check his thyroid. Lamont had been getting lightheaded. And I thought maybe he had a thyroid problem which made him go get his blood checked. And after he got his blood back from the doctor, that is when they discovered the testosterone thing,” explained Barry Hunter.

There is a question and assumption about the competitive edge what Peterson took might have given him. The average male produces roughly 7 milligrams of testosterone per day, approximately 50 per week. Peterson’s 800 milligrams slow released over 150 days comes out to 36.8 milligrams a week. Less than what an average male normally generates. For a person as deficient as his doctor claims and his records seem to indicate Peterson was not consuming a drug to gain competitive advantage.

It is here that one begins to wonder if Lamont Peterson and Barry Hunter were led down the wrong path by a doctor not qualified to determine damage to Peterson’s endocrine system, what might have caused it and how to fix it. Too often in the new world of anti-aging clinics and quick fix results, testosterone replacement therapy or “anti-aging” or even more ambiguous “wellness centers” are becoming as easy to order at as a Starbucks. In many cases, it is a classic case misdiagnosis. Within the confines of combat sports, the need for testosterone use among the athletes is due to past anabolic steroid use that has blunted the bodies’ ability to make its own testosterone. Other ways to trigger hypogonadism are concussions, pain pill abuse, and cutting weight in a dangerous or unhealthy manner on a regular basis. Which is basically how fighter’s make weight.

“At the time, I had to make a decision to treat him,” explained Dr. Thompson of the decision to treat Peterson so close to a fight. “I made a medical decision to treat him with something called testosterone pellets. These pellets are made from soy. They are not synthetic. And the treatment has been around in this country since the 1930’s. Nothing new. The pellets have a slow release. You only have 800 milligrams. My concern was ‘Ok. I am going to give him some treatment but this close to the fight, is it even going to do anything? Because the pellets are slow release, it just releases it as the body kind of needs it over 24 hours. A physiological dose of testosterone not a pharmacological does of testosterone.

“Let me explain the difference,” continued Dr. Thompson. “A physiological dose of testosterone is the amount of testosterone that would be emulating what the testes would be releasing on a 24 hour basis. A pharmacological is dose of fake testosterone that is above and beyond what the body normally produces. So there are two different things here. Most males I give the testosterone to, within four weeks, which is the time frame between from when he got this pellet and when the fight took place, most men will tell me in four weeks ‘Doc I don’t feel anything yet.’ The vast majority of them tell me that. There is not a sudden spike in testosterone. These pellets release slowly. And he only got 800 milligrams. On average these pellets can last up to five or six months for males. But the pellets don’t really come on until about three and half months.”

In Washington, DC, on December 10, 2011, Peterson beat Amir Khan in a close, controversial decision while that pellet slow released in his system. Under any commission much less under the rules of WADA and it’s code, Peterson was operating illegally that night. Synthetic testosterone is a banned substance. While there are medial exemptions for it, one must be obtained before the fact. Though Khan was the champion and marquee fighter, DC is Peterson’s hometown. Accusations of chicanery flew hard from the Golden Boy and Amir Khan side. Nothing ever proved much less indicated that the judges had been tampered with and the decision, despite one sanctioning body demanding a rematch, stood. What is more, Peterson passed both the pre and post-fight urine test.

A rematch was set for May 19 at Staples Center in Los Angeles. Only this time, Peterson asked for VADA testing on top of California’s commission testing. Khan’s team complied.


The day Peterson gave his blood and urine sample to VADA, he was particularly dehydrated, according to Andre Johnson. I remember walking into the Grammy Museum and there was Peterson, drinking from a bottle of water and eating some snacks Golden Boy had provided. When he had arrived, according to Johnson, Peterson was too dehydrated to give a sample to the VADA collectors. Rather than miss a test, he asked if he could go drink water and try again later. VADA complied and he went inside to eat and rehydrate.

Is this the behavior of a “drug cheat” looking to get one over on the system? One would think Peterson would be happy to miss the test. And now his request has come back to haunt him.

 

You need to do some research. Low t counts are a by product of steroid cycling, it's a big scam that started in the mma world and has now moved into boxing. You cycle off the steriods which brings your t count below normal and then you go to some quack doctor in Las Vegas and they medically certifee you with T pellets which then allows you to have a valid excuse to take them.

Also if i'm not mistaken all the guys who always request testings are the ones who are probably using steroids to begin with but they have the undetectable stuff so know they'll never get caught.

 

Once Peterson tested positive, his team sought out Dr. Albert K Lee, MD, LLC Internal Medicine at Johns Hopkins to examine the fighter.

Upon his examination, Dr. Lee determined that the therapy Peterson had received did not appear to work and in fact, Peterson’s levels were dropping. When Dr. Thompson had examined Peterson, his free testosterone was 7.5. Now after treatment and in the midst of another training camp, his measurement had dropped to a level of 5.0. Dr. Lee also detected a possible hyperthyroid condition. Seeking another opinion, Dr. Lee enlisted the aid of James F. Mackin, M.D. Board Certified in Endocrinology and Metabolism.



“Ultrasound of the testes confirm normal gonads not compatible with anabolic-androgenic abuse. Ultrasound of the abdomen shows that his liver is normal. Again, not compatible with anabolic-androgenic abuse,” explained Dr. Macklin about his findings after examining Peterson. “Testing has showed no evidence of illicit drugs use. Testosterone has been found of exogenous origin, but we know that he has testosterone pellets in his buttock placed by Dr. Thompson for replacement therapy. His testosterone levels are in the normal range and the free levels available to him are low. This has never given an unfair advantage in competition.



I feel that his documented history fits the laboratory data and confirms that he has not used androgens for anabolic effect,” Dr. Macklin concluded. “He has received only appropriate androgen replacement.”


http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-b...ohn-a-thompson-and-trainer-barry-hunter-speak


It's long but explains quite a bit.

 

Peterson

 

Peterson ain't getting stopped Peterson Points @ 10/3 is like printing money

 

Peterson UD.

I like Matthysse but I think Lamont will rough him up a bit I think he is the physically stronger.

 

How can a man, bulging with muscle with a full head of hair in his 20's have a testosterone problem?

The UFC currently has a program for fighters suffering with low testosterone that legally allows testosterone replacement therapy, guess what? They've all been steroid abusers in the past...

That answers Petersons condition IMO

 

I like both guys. Quality operators. In my opinion Lucas Matthyse is currently the best Light Welterweight in the world. He is a big puncher, tough and durable and is also a real good technical boxer. Matthyse wins this fight.

 

I could pay an american doctor to tell people i'm 95% horse, I'm not buying that story.

 

Think Matthyse will win by mid round stoppage most likely after Peterson has been down a few times.

Didn't Ortiz have Peterson down a couple of times? I think Lamont has improved since then for definite but just feel he'll be hurt a few times and in the end Matthyse power will rule in this one.

 

Lucas stoppage midway

 

:yep