Froch / Ward - wba belts

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  1. Anaboilc lion

    Anaboilc lion Guest

    Froch claiming that he has two belts and ward has none .

    I thought ward gave up the WBC belt but still has the proper WBA belt ???
    And the one froch has is basically the no.2 fighter wba belt ??



    ???
     
    Anaboilc lion, May 26, 2013
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  2. Anaboilc lion

    Anaboilc lion Guest

    no one knows whats going on ?
     
    Anaboilc lion, May 26, 2013
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  3. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Ward is the world champion and premier fighter. He gave up the WBC instead of them crowning him as the bull**** Emeritus champion.
     
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  4. Larryboys

    Larryboys Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ward is the WBA Super super middleweight champion. Froch just won the Regular WBA title, but I believe now he has unified he would also be elevated to Super champion, I'm sure their laws state they can do that and it's happened before. I really hate the WBA :twisted:
     
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  5. FatherTed

    FatherTed Throbbing Member Full Member

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    Going by the WBA's rules, Froch should be the 'super' champion now as he's a unified belt-holder, whereas Ward only has the WBA after being stripped of his WBC title.

    It's daft as a brush. Ward is still the man at 168 regardless who holds what belts, until someone beats him or he retires.
     
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  6. Smoggy7188

    Smoggy7188 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Does the winner of the Bika fight have to fight Ward or has he washed his hands with the WBC? If he has Bika/Groves could happen and would be a good fight.
     
    Smoggy7188, May 26, 2013
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  7. Uncle Frank

    Uncle Frank Guest

    Ward is the super middleweight world champion, he doesn't need a alphabet belt.
     
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  8. Mugsy

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    Sky seem to be doing their headlines today touting the Froch - Ward II rematch, but I just want to be pedantic and point out the inaccuracies in their reporting. I know its good they have boxing as a headline for good reasons but they could at least get the title holders correct because most people take what they say as fact.

    Ward is not WBC champion - As far as I'm aware they wanted him to be emeritus champion but he rejected that and vacated the lot. Sulaiman and his buddys have an eliminator next month , and then his son Chavez Jr will most likely step in.

    Froch is not WBA Super Champion - They are leading the headlines saying Froch unified the WBA and IBF belts but as far as I'm concerned the WBA regular belt is a paper trash belt and not a real title. Ward is WBA Champ end of story.

    So basically:

    WBA - Ward
    WBO - Stieglitz
    WBC - Vacant
    IBF - Froch

    Nothing changed yesterday.

    For some reason I'm unaware of Wikipedia and Boxrec appear to be indicating Andre Ward has no belt , after being stripped of the WBA overnight it seems.

    Are the Froch team trying to erase a beltholder here or what? Ward is WBA Champion on the WBA website I've no idea why various media and websites are listing Froch as sudden WBA Super Champion.

    I know the belts mean **** all really but you cant just erase a beltholder through the media....:-(
     
    Mugsy, May 26, 2013
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  9. Old Greg

    Old Greg Member Full Member

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    Boxrec had this billed as the "Super" WBA Super Middleweight Title days before the fight.

    When I seen this I was under the impression that it was Kessler that had been upgraded after he won the regular version against Magee.
     
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  10. Anaboilc lion

    Anaboilc lion Guest

    did the wba strip ward then ?
     
    Anaboilc lion, May 26, 2013
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  11. Anaboilc lion

    Anaboilc lion Guest

    from bbc article
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/22675149
     
    Anaboilc lion, May 26, 2013
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  12. elbrujito

    elbrujito Well-Known Member Full Member

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    shambles of a sport
     
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  13. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    my own understanding.....and i am always open to correction on these things......that you cannot be a 'super' champion without another belt too....so by not having the wbc title any longer he automatically loses the super champion status by the wba.

    quote -
    The WBA recognizes the title holders from the WBC, WBO, and IBF organizations. The WBA refers to a champion who holds two or more of these titles in the same weight class as an "undisputed champion" or "super champion". This applies even if the WBA title is not one of the titles held by the "undisputed champion"
     
    doug.ie, May 26, 2013
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  14. Mugsy

    Mugsy Guest

    On the other hand:

    Ward has defended his WBA title 5 times, so I'm fairly sure hes still super champ regardless of Froch.
     
    Mugsy, May 26, 2013
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  15. cheekyvid

    cheekyvid Detroit, I shall return. Full Member

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    Most articles ignore the WBA and rightly so, it is an irrelevance in this case. It could really be argued that all titles are an irrelevance these days
     
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