The noise that is Froch or just a white hype?

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  1. rampage1331

    rampage1331 Member Full Member

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    I recently read an article over at the scene where Froch has described himself as the best thing since Lennox. His promoter echos these sentiments further by referring to Mr Froch as one for the pound for pound list. My question to you guys and in particular to the non-uk contingency how do you perceive Carl Froch?

    Are we witnessing the hype which accompanies most white fighters or as the good folk in states would say he has 'earned his stripes'.

    My opinion is this:
    He's a good fighter with power and great chin. He takes a great shot, but I honestly believe the minute he steps up he will come up short, i.e. Andre Ward. Say what you may, that fight was a near shut out. Anyway he doesn't quite sit at the top of the pile at Super Middleweight, which isn't the most talent rich division in boxing.......

    However, mesh this with the light heavyweight division then the dynamic changes. Some real good fights to be treated to. I reject claims of Froch being too small for light heavy, lest we forget*a 40 year old jumped from 160 to 175 to capture the title. We are in a era where fighters climb through divisions (more divisions now) to reign supreme and to argue their pound for pound case. The odd occasion you come across fighters who stake a claim based on their dominance and skill set. I.e. Rigondeux, even then he had to overcome The Flash before universal recognition.

    Since Froch is unable to lay claim to his current division, other routes are available.

    Good fights: Cleverly, Pascal and maybe Cloud.
    Exceptional fights: Ward, Dawson and Hopkins

    I also reject calls for Ward having to fight in the UK. I mean it would be great if he did, but he doesn't have to. Yes Froch fought him in the US, but that was part of the Showtime super 6, it was part of the tournament. I mean was there any doubt that the final of a tournament organised by a US tv network would take place any where other than the US.
     
  2. Changfoo

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    Froch is rich, bangs Rachael Cordingley and sprays his nut anywhere on her sexy body, has that british accent that makes him sounds smart.


    Haters going to hate.
     
  3. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nice post.
    But with respect,I'll just take you up on a small point or two.

    He's been ignored by most of Britain for around 85% of his career,and although better than Ricky Burns,they are both about as far from being hype jobs as you can get when you consider their career trajectories.
    I'm not a snob when it comes to being a long term fan of someone because despite me being a fan of Froch from around the time of Magee and Burns from about 10 fights in,the whole point is getting new fans with every performance,and these guys are only just getting due recognition from their own national fans,so they are not hype jobs in any form.

    As for the 175 issue,many people take it for granted that moving through the weights is just completetly natural these days,but the vast majority of fighters have an optimum weight,and they realise it is smart to stay around that weight.Froch is one of these guys and probably accepts that he would lose much of his sting at 175.He is also probably one of the most comfortable world level fighters at the weight.It doesn't make sense to him,and consider that Finito Lopez lost "pop" at a weight which I think was no more than 4-5 lbs above his preferred/optimum weight.

    Still a good post though.
     
  4. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    Froch stinks to me! All i like is his heart but other then that forget about it. shows me nothing great about him
     
  5. Changfoo

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    And he enjoys the stink of Rachael Cordingly hot **** and butt crack while he enjoys his fame and his millions while you hate on him lol
     
  6. Kevin Jesus

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    He's not just hype to me, but I am not as hyped on him as every one else is.

    To me he lost to Dirrell clearly, Ward, Kessler the first time, and then a Draw with Kessler in the rematch. In my eyes, just my opinion.

    I'd have Hopkins, Dawson, both Dirrells, all beating him and Kessler gets a Draw or win against him in neutral venue.

    Call me a Froch hater, but I don't care much about him to criticize him for no reason. He is not a rival of a favorite fighter of mine, my opinion on Froch is not driven by any agenda. He has a very good resume with Pascal, Bute, Abraham, Johnson, and Taylor, and overall, win or lose, he has fought the best in a row, excluding Mack. We need more fighters like Froch, who just fight every one in their weight class.
     
  7. rampage1331

    rampage1331 Member Full Member

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    Good perspective.

    However I would have to disagree on certain things. I could be wrong, but I believe he still has to cut weight for 168 and yes some fighters do it alot easier than others. Danny Garcia is one, ive heard that f**ker sometimes walks around as high as 170, thats quite a cut but he does it with ease apparently, I suspect Broner is another, genetics I guess. Any how my point is if you're suggesting you're the best since lennox or making a pound for pound argument then you've got to travel through the weights, because it no longer becomes about pop as you eluded to, it's about what else you bring to the table.

    Also, since you've followed Froch for alot longer than I have. Which is his most impressive victory, how did you score the Ward fight? Also whether Ward needs to fight in the UK, forget the commercials, I just want a boxing fan perspective.
     
  8. El Terrible

    El Terrible Active Member Full Member

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    Froch hater
     
  9. damian38

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    well, how else is he going to sell tickets and PPV's if he doesn't say things like that?

    that being said, he has tremendous heart that people want to see in the ring anyway
     
  10. PityTheFool

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    Well I'm happy to agree to disagree on the first point,although Froch is always saying that he's less than a stone overweight between camps,and I think it's just a basic fact that to make the most of his strengths and to limit his shortcomings most efffectively,it has to be 168.
    But I accept that doesn't directly answer you own query.

    As for the best victory,I'm probably in the minority here as most have will think of Bute and Abraham(TBF,AA might be a contender for me) but when I tell you that as a big SRL fan,I favour his victory over Tommy as his best(although not by much) you might understand why I consider Froch's smash n grab V Taylor is right up there for me,and like this fight,Pascal was also thrilling.Magee was much more than he is now whilst Froch was a fair bet less than he is now,so that's a great fight too.
    Sorry! Just realised I'm dodging a straight answer again!:patsch:lol:
    **** it,Taylor!:bart

    I always find it hard to score objectively when a particular favourite is fighting(****,I'm doing it again!:oops:)
    In all honesty,118-110 but 117-111 on the night.
     
  11. Jay23

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    There is no doubting Frochs' many floors and also attributes but he has gotten to where he is today the hard way and most definitely paid his dues..

    He is probably about as far away from being a hype job as you can possibly get in modern day boxing..
     
  12. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    Lol if u say so, hes still not that good and has 0% chance to beat Ward, so i guess he is just hype if u can never win your biggest fight.
     
  13. rampage1331

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    For me it was definitely against AA, he beat with him skill that night, not with just brawn which we know he has in abundance. The Jermain Taylor was more of fail on epic proportions by Taylor, giving a beat down for 11 rounds only to find the gas was empty at round 12 and not having the wit to take a knee, so elementary it makes you shake your head.

    I think thats a fairly objective score from a fan, last few rounds you could give them to Froch. As Ward decided to coast. However I still have them to Ward, just because you follow someone around the ring, doesnt mean you score.
     
  14. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Froch is one of the very best fighters in the world today. He has underrated boxing ability with an iron chin and will who thinks he's always going to win the fight no matter how far down on the cards he might be. He's a old school warrior with a great fighting spirit and a big personality, he's great for the sport. I love watching him fight.
     
  15. HyperUppercut

    HyperUppercut Atheists,u'll get da shit Full Member

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    Rachael Cordingley is a buck toothed flat assed wench. The british accent sounds like a *** with his mouth full. With that said though, I like Froch as a fighter.