Do fighters take dives

flintoff fight was a disgrace to pro boxing

if he liked the sport he should have just got involved in the unlicensed scene. eg, IBA or EBF

 

I dont think there is any sort of complicit conspiracy but when a journeyman gets paid a couple of grand for a televised show against a prospect and then goes to a small hall show and gets paid half that.

Bearing in mind that he gets paid for losing which one do you think he is going to be less inclined to bother knowing that a good performance will probably mean the promoter may not hire him again.

 

No, but there is careful matchmaking so we are fairly sure of the result before the fighters get in the ring.

 

Do Journeyman take dives? No, not really.

I think what you maybe aiming at, is the 'art' of a good Journeyman.

The aim of a Journeyman is to make as much money as he can whilst limiting the damage he suffers. So when fighting a top prospect for good money, it is in the interest of the Journeyman to cover up and minimize the damage he suffers. That way there is less chance of the Journeyman being stopped and having to sit out a compulsory suspension. This tactic is often a benefit to the prospect's 'team' too. The prospect gets rounds in a proper fight environment and has to devise different tactics to try and get the job done.

When a good Journeyman is fighting a lesser prospect or lesser Journeyman he often fights more offensively. Also occasionally a good Journeyman will cause an upset, that may earn him a title shot. In that situation you often see professional pride kick in and the Journeyman attempt to win the title, rather than survive.

 

Flintoff's opponent? Almost looked mortified when he knocked him down.

As mentioned elsewhere, it must go on. But I have a certain amount of faith that it's not overly common place. Remember that if a boxer gets stopped he cant fight for a certain period afterwards (I forget how long but it may be 8-12 weeks). Journeymen often fight about every three weeks just to pay the bills. Get stopped, no income.

Obviously if your paid well enough that you dont need to fight in three weeks then there may be less incentive for getting through a full fight...

 

Flintoffs opponent was defo payed to lose. Freddie was so poor anyone with any boxing ability would have beaten him.

 

Does anybody remember a few years ago one of Michael Sprott's opponents got some of his purse withheld due to an alleged dive?

The guy was Eastern European and didn't seem out of his depth, but in the first round Sprott landed a decent looking short uppercut on the inside. He went down, got back up and stumpled around a bit. The ref stopped the fight, but the replay showed that the punch actually missed completely, and all that landed was the crook of Sprott's elbow. I believe he got 25% of his money stopped.

 

And even then it almost went south :yep

 

Yeah, but it pays in the long run because he'll get plenty of work from the big promoters with the bright young prospects !

 

That's my main memory of that fight, :rofl he hardly touched Flintoff and he dropped like a sack of ****. The terror on his face when he thought he'd knocked him out.

I know it was Flintoff's one and only fight, but all those months of training and yet he ran mincing forward looking like he was doing the doggy paddle, knock-kneed. I still don't know how that was possible.

 

herbie hide obviously took a dive, went down and no punch landed good acting though,

checkout the reply 10:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04lkDWdnzZg

 

whoooooah


suspect :shock: