Let's be a bit more fair. Wlad Klitschko vs Lennox's ENTIRE RESUME. Same Timeline.

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  1. RUSKULL

    RUSKULL VIP Member banned

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    He just beat McCall by UD. Old McCall but still.........that's something.:D
     
  2. Zombieguy

    Zombieguy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad would be lucky to crack the top 10 in an era with those guys.

    Ruddock, Holyfield, Tua, Rahman, McCall would smash him to ****.

    RUSKULL IS A RERE.
     
  3. bremen

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    Wlad goes undefeated through this list
     
  4. Pulev

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    Do you have kids? It's shocking that someone with kids will counter with stuff like 'clown' and smiley face icons....

    The point is valid.. You said Wlad don't have a glass chin and he had stamina/reaction issues prior to Steward? That's just as bad as a glass chin. That was the point. You honestly think having bad stamina and having panic attacks when hurt is somehow less risky than having a glass chin? It's just as bad.. which means the pre-Steward version of Wlad would have freaked against a dozen big punchers or against anyone with a granite chin who puts out pressure....

    Something have to be said to explain Wlad's losses. He either got a glass chin, **** stamina, or he freaks when he's hurt. It's one,two or all three of those issues..... you can't just say it's NONE of those issues.. It's unrealistic.
     
  5. thesandman

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    You need to either watch, or stop ignoring, Ruddock against Tyson.

    That's the Ruddock that Lewis fought.
     
  6. RUSKULL

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    Nobody knows or cares what that means..........
    :bart
     
  7. RUSKULL

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    I have a son, and he'd probably kick your ass for talkin' **** about his dad..............:bbb

    Lennox Lewis is another of my favorite fighters, and he was KO'd twice himself. What was his reason, weak chin, stamina, panic attacks? Or maybe he just got caught by a punch he didn't see coming. This is HW boxing son, and this happens all the time. Joe Louis was the best HW in my humble opinion and even he was caught by lesser fighters including Schmeling...........happens to the best of 'em.

    Your posts are just delusional hate for particular fighters and you're not fooling anyone but other weak minded folks. carry on, this site wouldn't be the same without idiots to laugh at.
     
  8. RUSKULL

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    So what? I saw that Lewis vs. Rudduck fight as it happened live while my band was performing at a Halloween party...........I remember it like it was yesterday. That fight showed me Lewis was a destroyer and Ruddock wasn't. It also lowered my opinion of Tyson quite a bit since he struggled a bit in his fights against Razor. I won a lot of money when Lewis & Tyson finally fought because most of my friends all thought Tyson was some invincible monster. He wasn't and he was owned wasn't he?

    Next question?
     
  9. Brighton bomber

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    Lewis fought Ruddock only about 2.5 years into his career a stage where Wlad had already lost to Purrity and not learned to pace himself yet. Wlad was easier to hit then and was less mobile, he wouldn't control range and would be there to be hit. Ruddock could very well KO Wlad but Wlad could also very well KO Ruddock. So this is a possible loss.

    Lewis then fought Tucker who was big tough and durable and took Lewis the distance. We could once again see Wlad punch himself out against Tucker and fade badly and possible get stopped.

    Lewis fought McCall 5 years into his pro career. Wlad at this point had still to gas against Brewster and so had not learned to pace himself. Wlad isn't stopping McCall so would probably get taken late and stopped late while ahead on points much like his fight against Purrity.

    Lewis fought Mercer 7 years into his pro career, at this point Wlad had just lost to Sanders and so was pre steward. This was also fought in a tiny 18 foot ring which is much smaller than the ring Wlad usually fights in. Mercer once again too durable and takes the fights late and KO's a tired Wlad. Even with it being only 10 rounds, Mercer puts too much pressure on Wlad and forces him to fight at a pace he cannot maintain.

    The Vitali that almost beat Lewis KO's Wlad, he has the size to get to him, just as strong on the inside more durable. Wlad would have to KO Vitali to win because their is no way Wlad is able to match Vitali for pace and not be out worked or gassed by the late rounds. Of course if Vitali gets cut Wlad wins but with Wlad's overly cautious style he may not land enough big shots to get a cut.

    So for me 3 definite losses and maybe as many as 5.
     
  10. andrewa1

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    Good thread, but a couple issues. One, I disagree that Lewis was ever post prime. He was throwing punches at as high a rate as he ever had at the end, was taking punches better than ever with VK, and his retirement was of an age with the peak levels of the most comparable boxers to him, the K's. Mid 30's tends to be the peak time for very tall, hard punching heavyweights.

    If you do it in the timeline you made, then Wlad loses at least 5 fights, and frankly his confidence gets shot and he may never be a dominant champ. But LL was further along then WK when he started out, and took on bigger opposition sooner. If Wlad paced himself correctly with that list, and grew properly, he's only going to have 2 or 3 losses (VK probably and lets say Morrison, Bruno, or McCall get the chin/stamina win).

    However, to be completely fair, you should speculate what LL's record would have been facing WK's opposition. LL would not face southpaws, found them too awkward. As such, backed by his power, I actually think LL was made for Corrie Sanders, so that's one loss there. WK fought a lot more than LL, and at this point has even fought a couple more top fighters than LL, so concentration lapses are going to bring LL at least another 2 losses.

    Overall, if they faced each others opponents, they'd probably have about the same number of losses.
     
  11. Lennox

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    Lol. Ruddock would have been scared and fell asleep the moment he was hit.

    Ruddock was a great fighter, but Lennox and the Klits are all wrong for him.
     
  12. josip

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    rahman and mavrovic both knock out any version of wlad.
     
  13. tommygun711

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    I think there's a chance he gets KO'd by alot of Lewis's opposition. Even after he starts training with Stewart.
     
  14. macp1

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    Ruddock and Tyson killed each other, effectively ended both of their careers those two fights. The Ruddock that Lewis and later Morisson fought was NOT the same guy that fought Mike Tyson, and the Tyson Lewis fought was definitely not the same man Ruddock had fought.
     
  15. Pulev

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    This is a very interesting topic. The Wlad that fought Sanders is around the same stage as the Lewis who fought Ruddock. That might have been a loss for Lewis.. but Lewis was much more aggressive at times even than Pre-Steward Wlad so maybe he'll catch Sanders first.

    As for the rest of Wlad's southpaw resume.. I don't see Lewis having any issues with them in terms of getting knocked out. He might very well drop 4-5 Rounds against Sultan and Byrd simply for styles issues,but despite Lennox not having a great chin, the idea of Chris Byrd knocking out Lewis is absurd. He'll probably beat Byrd by a 8-4 sort of score card with a few awkward moments.
    An interesting stat to consider is that Lennox Lewis is 13-0 against fighters 6'4+. He really does eat up fellow tall fighters..

    Is there a blue print to beat Wlad? Yes
    Is there a blue print to beat Lewis? Yes

    As for Wlad's glass chin myth.. I don't think he have a glass chin.
    It's heavyweight boxing, it's not some 5'7 slick black dudes shoulder rolling each other .. it's boxing premier king division. In boxing's PREMIER division the moment you get hurt.. you are in much bigger trouble than the lower weights..

    If Floyd was a heavyweight and he was hit by the heavyweight version of Mosley's punch.. he would not have made it out . So yes .. I agree Wlad does not have a glass chin.. but he DOES have serious stamina and reaction issues .. which must be held into account in any h2h match ups.