Toney, with Hopkins's discipline and work ethic

Hopkins is boring and dull with all his discipline and regime. I prefer talents like Toney

 

style no, quality yes. gotta aggress with natonic: jones, with all his talents and at his best, was simply better than toney.

 

I think that's a fair conclusion.

 

One of the worst stylistical match-ups for Jones was McCallum imo. A great counter puncher that was very good at applying pressure behind a persistent jab. And I think he proved it when matching Jones in the early rounds in their fight despite being old and much, much slower than Jones.

 

Ah, NO!

but he would certainly have been among them.

 

i like it. to be an effective counter puncher you have to have superior reflexes or absurb timing. mccallum had the latter. no one was going to have better reflexes than jones but you good time him. with his chin, jones wouldn't hurt him, he made very very few mistakes for Jones to capitalize on, and his consistent technique would score him points while jones looked for blitzing opportunities.

still say jones wins but it would be one of the hardest possible match ups for him

 

Yeah, my money would be on Jones from MW and upwards, but that's also because McCallum had lost some speed and snap in his punches when he moved to MW, and above MW he was way past his prime.

 

Counter punchers don't do that well against fleet footed front footed speedsters, see Leonard-Benitez or Taylor-Hopkins. They're waiting for the counter but it all happens so fast they can't pull the trigger. People talk about Jones technical errors but he didn't leave much room to be caught clean or countered for much of his career.

 

If he had Hopkins dedication the work ethic, we wouldn't have seen Toney near HW.

 

He would absolutely crush Chris Eubank in 1 round. Even the weak weight drained 5% of his fighting shape version of Toney that fought against Jones would obliterate Eubank in 6 rounds.

 

When he slowed down a tad he did.

Haven't seen Taylor-Hopkins, but as for Leonard, he was more fundamentally sound than Jones. He was very fast and had good fundamentals. A nightmare for anybody.

Ali, who had more flawed fundamentals, on the other hand had some trouble with counter-punchers even close to his prime (most notably Jones, but also Folley gave a peaking Ali things to think about).

The absolute nightmare is skilled counter-punchers that bring pressure, though. Like Duran in Montreal.

 

would help his stamina, but you cannot give guys discipline. That is part of who they are. Toney was Toney because of how he trains and how he was as a person. He was stubborn and had confidence, and you take away his stubborness and make him train he will not be the James Toney we know.