BJ Flores is one of the worst commentators

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  1. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Watch the fight again without the sound. If you maintain that opinion, then you really need to learn how to score boxing matches before you formulate another opinion on one.
     
  2. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Gee, great analysis moron. Get a clue about boxing.
     
  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    He expressed, live, the opinions that well over 3/4 of the posters here agree with.

    Not bias. Especially considering that Glazkov, not Scott, was being hyped on these forums. And while Chambers has become a liked fighter on ESB since he joined, it is not as though there was any sort of lingering fanbase or overall blind support before that fight which would indicate keyboard warriors saying it different than they feel.
     
  4. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    i've been watching and scoring fights for well over 30 yrs. i think i know a thing or two about a thing or two.
     
  5. rapidfire

    rapidfire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought Flores did a good job unlike the judges. Chambers schooled Adamek with one arm, outlanded Adamek in 9 of 12 rounds. What criteria did you use to score rounds for Adamek ? Clean punching was done by Chambers. Defense, Ring Generalship, easily by Chambers. The only thing Adamek did was being busy, but he wasn´t effective so you can not even score effective aggressivenes for him. Imo that was just a stupid fight by Adamek. Chambers fought with one arm for 9 rounds and Adamek simply wasn´t able to take advantage of that. You have to doubt his intelligence.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Not to mention, Eddie only joined up here in December of 2012...six months after he fought Adamek.
     
  7. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    shows there are different horses for different courses.

    Think Flores is terrific. Knows the game inside out, articulate -- NEVER repeats himself, saying the same thing ad nauseam. His interviews are about the subject, not himself. Can read a teleprompter without flubbing 'n not be thrown by the director in his ear piece.

    First rate analyst/broadcaster
     
  8. andrewa1

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    Well, I guess Nonito is right about that its the majority opinion on here. But its still nuts. I will say its a good argument regarding that Glazkov hyped more than Scott beforehand, but I think its a different kind of bias then the kind you refer to. Tow things, really. 1. Today's hater boxer culture. Its cool to say close decisions are robberies, so if peple are saying its a robbery, they jump on the band wagon. 2 If some moron commentator like Flores gets it completely wrong in commentating, they are influenced by that moron. It's hard not to be when that's all your hearing while watching a fight, that's why I'll turn the volume off if its a commentator I don't trust. Absolutly no way Chambers deserved the decision, and the Scott draw was fair. I hope everyone calling those matches robberies also believe Jimmy Young was robbed against Ali. It was the same type of fight. I scored the Ali Young fight 8/7 for Ali as opposed to 8/4 Adamek, it was even closer. In both cases, slightly more punches landed by loser, arguably cleaner, but the winner pressed the action and landed harder. If you think that Ali deserved the L, then so be it, we have a disagreement on what should matter more, if not, then you're scoring inconsitently out of bandwagon bias.
     
  9. rapidfire

    rapidfire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    @andrewa1 - Just curious, based on what did you score the rounds for Adamek against Chambers, when scoring criteria should be
    1. Clean Punching
    2. Effective Aggressiveness (Note: EFFECTIVE!!!)
    3. Ring Generalship
    4. Defense

    Chambers outlanded Adamek in 9 of 12 rounds. Off course Adamek was busier, but when you don´t land ****, how can the judges score it for you. You cannot call that: effective. Clean punching was clearly in favour of Chambers almost every round. Same with Defense and ring generalship (how can you count that for Adamek, when he wasn´t able to take advantage of Chambers injury, just stupid)

    I just do not see how one can score that fight for Adamek, besides being Polish or a huge Adamek fanboy. Adamek was schooled by one armed fighter, a very good one armed fighter though, props to Chambers.
     
  10. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    adamek keeps getting gift after gift and now mainevents and nbc are bringing him back to headline again!?!?!? they should be ashamed of themselves. the bull**** commission that is making this happen should be disbanded.
     
  11. H .

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    i most absolutely dislike Flores as a commentator :bart
     
  12. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    So, its not letting me quote, but this was to Rapidfire, although can go to professor as well. As far as what rounds I gave Adamek, I don't have it recorded. However, per a quick check of compubox, in 10 of the 12 rounds he either landed more than Chambers or was within 3 of Chambers. He was the aggressor, threw way punches, which landed harder, and Chambers relied on generally on counterpunching. Scoring ring generalship and effective aggression at all, I don't see how you can't give Adamek the majority of those rounds. But then, you never answered my question. Did you give Young the decision over Ali? The punch gap was even wider there. If so, then we disagree about how to score fights, and its really a judgment call, you've as much right to your opinion as I to mine. But I'm consistent with how I score fights, and I suspect the majority of commenters on here who are outraged by the undoubted Adamek win and valid Glazkov draw would hypocritically still give Ali the decision, even though the factors going into that fight are basically right in between the Adamek fight and the Glaskov fight.
     
  14. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    totally agree.
     
  15. rapidfire

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    @andrewa1

    Just curious why you think Adamek punched way harder than Chambers, i could not agree. Chambers definately landed the cleaner shots and Adamek wasn´t the aggressor the whole night. Being busy is no criteria for the judges to score. Effective aggresiveness is, but you can hardly call Adamek effective in most of the rounds. In fact Chambers was very effective with his punches and it wasn´t that he countered all night. At times he was aggressive too and he was very effective then. Ring generalship also includes some kind of ring intelligence. Now if a boxer is fighting an one armed opponent and it was obvious that Chambers didn´t use his left hand and this boxer still is a sucker for this hand the whole night, i strongly doubt his ring intelligence. Imo that was just a stupid fight by Adamek and he got helped by the judges (he probably knew before the fight, that he could not lose a decision).

    As for Ali-Young, don´t know what it has to do with Chambers-Adamek and Scott-Glazkov, i felt Young won though.