Look let's be realistic here. Wlad/Vitali/Lewis would dominate any era of HW boxing

You are ******ed lol. It's very simple to see what I typed.

The logic would be movements in boxing is far far harder then any other sport. Gee nice, insult. Too bad you don't have any logical evidence to back up your "world is round, boxing is immune to the laws of progress" theory. And no, your personal opinion that boxing is more complex, and that if it is, that complexity makes boxing more, and not less, likely to be immune from the laws of progress ,does not count.

 

And a leftie too, but more significantly a MODERN HW

But according to you the size factor is such a great attribute but where you're mistaken is that these men have such big bodies it is very hard for them to hit a small moving man. Which is evident by these fights.See above, also an injury loss in a fight he was clearly winning.

So they also lack mental strength. Evident by Brewster fighter(Where Wlad just gave up), Quitting vs a much smaller man in Byrd. Thanks because thats I forget about that one. Not only is Ali faster he is also mentally stronger.
Uhm, except he beat Haye decisively

Again thats not the point here. He failed to land compared to the other BIGGER fighters he fights. Comprehend stupid?
Sure, keep telling yourself that boxing is immune to the laws of
progress as you try to sleep at night. And great use of sources and statistics and logical application to explain why Ali is better and smarter in all those ways. Look, it will go better if you just accept progress and value old ATG's as great for their in era accomplishments.


Statistics can be manipulated so whats the point? Statistics make Rocky Marciano the greatest fighter of all time.

You've already told me how LL,VL,WL fight and they are matched by Ali in all of that. I also explained what Ali does better and you haven't refuted it more justified why you won't accept itwhich i'll put down to ignorance.

 

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And a leftie too, but more significantly a MODERN HW

But according to you the size factor is such a great attribute but where you're mistaken is that these men have such big bodies it is very hard for them to hit a small moving man. Which is evident by these fights.Uhm, except LL and the K's are the dominant champs, not those other fighters.
So they also lack mental strength. Evident by Brewster fighter(Where Wlad just gave up), Quitting vs a much smaller man in Byrd. Thanks because thats I forget about that one. Not only is Ali faster he is also mentally stronger.
Like when he wanted to quit against Liston and Frazier and his corner made him go out? Sure.

Again thats not the point here. He failed to land compared to the other BIGGER fighters he fights. Comprehend stupid?
No because your stupidity is so breathtaking its challenging for an intelligent person to comprehend.


Statistics can be manipulated so whats the point? Statistics make Rocky Marciano the greatest fighter of all time.
No they don't. His wins are as explainable as Ali's that he fought in a different, smaller and less advanced era. How about you use some statistics to back your argument instead of delusional nostalgia. Oh yeah, stats = facts, and you are anti facts.
You've already told me how LL,VL,WL fight and they are matched by Ali in all of that. I also explained what Ali does better and you haven't refuted it more justified why you won't accept itwhich i'll put down to ignorance. Yes I have. You've once again failed to "explain" anything and only given delusional fan boy nostalgiaist non reasons. Come back to me when you actually have some facts.

 

HA! Power not a big thing. Nough said. Oh, and those HW's have a ko ratio against real HW's (215lbs and higher) vastly higher than Ali.

Again where your argument fails is that power and size means nothing.
David Tua had size,power and a good head..where did that get him compared to Holyfield who was 215 and a weak puncher. Just quit man.


Uh, just no.

That it??? lol

No, its a reflection that you have no argument, offered only your off base opinion without any proof to back it up

I have video evidence..you have nothing..numbers which don't count for anything(see below)

No, once again you show you only know how to "maul" logic and facts. You know nothing about boxing and need to stop posting, stop perpetuating lies that only distract from the real reasons ATG's like Ali should be recognized as the best, not deluded fan boy "world is round" posting that just make you look stupid.

Ali is superior. He dominated his era.
Haye was KO'd by a cruiser weight yet big Wladimir couldn't do the job.



Again, I've offered logical proof that you are a deluded fanboy, you've only offered your personal opinion that boxing is majically immune to the laws of progress

You've offered no proof. You want to quote statistics that have no true meaning because subjective qualities are not taking into account.Go back to school.

 

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Again where your argument fails is that power and size means nothing.
David Tua had size,power and a good head..where did that get him compared to Holyfield who was 215 and a weak puncher. Just quit man.

Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Please don't quit, I can school you all day. You love to point out individual examples, when statistics and trends speak a much more complete language. Power is an important part of boxing, not the only part, moron.

That it??? lol LOL at yet another fail from you!
No, once again you show you only know how to "maul" logic and facts. You know nothing about boxing and need to stop posting, stop perpetuating lies that only distract from the real reasons ATG's like Ali should be recognized as the best, not deluded fan boy "world is round" posting that just make you look stupid.

Ali is superior. He dominated his era.
Haye was KO'd by a cruiser weight yet big Wladimir couldn't do the job. Let me translate "world is round because that's what I choose to believe". Ali dominated a HW era that would mostly be considered cruiserweight in this era. Its debatable whether today's cruiserweights are better than his HW era.



Again, I've offered logical proof that you are a deluded fanboy, you've only offered your personal opinion that boxing is majically immune to the laws of progress

You've offered no proof. You want to quote statistics that have no true meaning because subjective qualities are not taking into account.Go back to school. I have, you are simply too simpleminded to accept it. Again let me translate your last sentence "facts don't matter because my nut hugging opinions about prior era ATG's are included.

 

You're on the ropes.


Uhm, except LL and the K's are the dominant champs, not those other fighters.

Thats true while fighters like Haye and Byrd are nonexistent. VL quit against a smaller man. Wladimir hardest fight was against a smaller man. Lewis ducked a smaller man. What does this conclude? That the smaller fighters in this case are far tougher fighters then the larger men.

Like when he wanted to quit against Liston and Frazier and his corner made him go out? Sure

Again this is so funny.
My question back to you is: Did he quit? A simple yes or no.
My other question is did the other fights quit? The answer is yes. You're starting to show your brilliance.
No because your stupidity is so breathtaking its challenging for an intelligent person to comprehend.

Go to a football forum. You don't have a clue about what you're talking about.


No they don't. His wins are as explainable as Ali's that he fought in a different, smaller and less advanced era. How about you use some statistics to back your argument instead of delusional nostalgia. Oh yeah, stats = facts, and you are anti facts.

So you want to add subjective terms to statistics?? You've been quoting stats you realise and you say this?? You really are dumb as ****.
Yes I have. You've once again failed to "explain" anything and only given delusional fan boy nostalgiaist non reasons. Come back to me when you actually have some facts.

I'm ending this. You've shown me you don't know what you're talking about. The above response just nailed it.

 

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You're on the ropes.

No my braindead friend, you've already been TKO'd, you're just disputing the decision.
Uhm, except LL and the K's are the dominant champs, not those other fighters.

Thats true while fighters like Haye and Byrd are nonexistent. VL quit against a smaller man. Wladimir hardest fight was against a smaller man. Lewis ducked a smaller man. What does this conclude? That the smaller fighters in this case are far tougher fighters then the larger men.
So your logic is, the dominant HW champs of the past 20 years are actually not as good as the smaller men they generally beat, who were never remotely in their league as champs. Sure, great logic. By that logic, Jimmy Young is far greater than Muhammad Ali.
Like when he wanted to quit against Liston and Frazier and his corner made him go out? Sure

Again this is so funny.
My question back to you is: Did he quit? A simple yes or no.
My other question is did the other fights quit? The answer is yes. You're starting to show your brilliance. No, to use your logic, he was just too weakwilled to resist his corner. You're grasping at straws and you're just plain sad.
No because your stupidity is so breathtaking its challenging for an intelligent person to comprehend.

Go to a football forum. You don't have a clue about what you're talking about. Great rational response, uhm, except you have no rational abilities and are clearly flatlining on the brain activity chart.


No they don't. His wins are as explainable as Ali's that he fought in a different, smaller and less advanced era. How about you use some statistics to back your argument instead of delusional nostalgia. Oh yeah, stats = facts, and you are anti facts.

So you want to add subjective terms to statistics?? You've been quoting stats you realise and you say this?? You really are dumb as ****. Wow, your stupidity is truly breathtaking. No moron, I was paraphrasing what you meant, YOU were saying you wanted to add subjective terms into unsubjective facts. Can't you even read? Go to English class.
Yes I have. You've once again failed to "explain" anything and only given delusional fan boy nostalgiaist non reasons. Come back to me when you actually have some facts.

I'm ending this. You've shown me you don't know what you're talking about. The above response just nailed it.
So, I'll paraphase you one more time "I can't debate rationally and have no facts or logic to back up my world is round hypothesis, so nana, you're stupid". Brilliant as always, braindead.

 

No my braindead friend, you've already been TKO'd, you're just disputing the decision.
Uhm, except LL and the K's are the dominant champs, not those other fighters.

LL wasn't a dominant champ he AVOID Byrd.
Wladimir AVOIDED Chisora
Vitali AVOIDED Rahman that is not "dominant"

So your logic is, the dominant HW champs of the past 20 years are actually not as good as the smaller men they generally beat, who were never remotely in their league as champs. Sure, great logic. By that logic, Jimmy Young is far greater than Muhammad Ali.
Like when he wanted to quit against Liston and Frazier and his corner made him go out? Sure


I can't believe I have to say this. That the Byrds,Hayes of their eras are much tougher fighters then the big men of their era. Which is backed up by facts that "dominant champ" Lennox ducked Byrd and Haye gave Wladimir the toughest fight of his career.

weakwilled to resist his corner. You're grasping at straws and you're just plain sad.
No because your stupidity is so breathtaking its challenging for an intelligent person to comprehend.

Sorry but no. I called them quitters and you're reponse was "well he wanted to quit" but the end of the day DID HE QUIT? Therefore his mental strength is FACTUALLY superior
Great rational response, uhm, except you have no rational abilities and are clearly flatlining on the brain activity chart.

Everything you said has been destroyed quite clearly.

Wow, your stupidity is truly breathtaking. No moron, I was paraphrasing what you meant, YOU were saying you wanted to add subjective terms into unsubjective facts. Can't you even read? Go to English class.
Yes I have. You've once again failed to "explain" anything and only given delusional fan boy nostalgiaist non reasons. Come back to me when you actually have some facts.

Nah, You've gotta either be a fool or a troll. I never quoted statistics. I never said that. You quote statistics yet when I mention Marciano stats you said "different era"; there is subjective. You can't take that into account when quoting statistics.

Marciano statiscally is the greatest figher of all time.

So, I'll paraphase you one more time "I can't debate rationally and have no facts or logic to back up my world is round hypothesis, so nana, you're stupid". Brilliant as always, braindead.

You can't debate. Everything you have said has been destroyed.
Statistics don't count for the class of the fighter so cannot be used.Ali beat the tougher fighters; Which as proven when no "modern giants" could KO George ForemanAli was never KO'd.

Ali NEVER DUCKED any fighterAli has faster feetwhich is evident by his style.


The only thing you bring to this debate is "size" and "modern" fighters.

You can't prove any of this to be true.

Ali Wins

 

Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Please don't quit, I can school you all day. You love to point out individual examples, when statistics and trends speak a much more complete language. Power is an important part of boxing, not the only part, moron.

I clearly CLEARLY stated more then just power. Didn't I moron? and again with the numbers.
If you want to quote stats give me the formula for skill,heart,class etc of fighters and I will accept the numbers.

LOL at yet another fail from you!
No, once again you show you only know how to "maul" logic and facts. You know nothing about boxing and need to stop posting, stop perpetuating lies that only distract from the real reasons ATG's like Ali should be recognized as the best, not deluded fan boy "world is round" posting that just make you look stupid.

What logic and facts are you presenting?? numbers?? LOL
numbers which can be manipulated?? LOLIf you're trying win this argument with numbers then quote them LOL

Let me translate "world is round because that's what I choose to believe". Ali dominated a HW era that would mostly be considered cruiserweight in this era. Its debatable whether today's cruiserweights are better than his HW era.

The fact remains he still dominated his era which makes what you said nonsense. Not the first time though

Again, I've offered logical proof that you are a deluded fanboy, you've only offered your personal opinion that boxing is majically immune to the laws of progress

Where?How can I logically refute "logic"..lo

lI have, you are simply too simpleminded to accept it. Again let me translate your last sentence "facts don't matter because my nut hugging opinions about prior era ATG's are included.

You keep saying "facts" what facts? Where are these facts? All I see is drivel and nonsense..

 

WTF is this thread??

McCall and Rashman ****ing KO Lewis....plus he had a gift decision against Mercer.

Wlad was KO by Puritty, Sanders and Brewster...

I see so many people beating their ass!

Prime Tyson, Holmes, Ali, Foreman, Shavers, Holyfield,Frazier, Norton, Liston and the list goes on...i see so many B fighter from the 70s,80s and 90s beating them up.

This thread is a ****ing joke and a disgrace to boxing :good

 

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No my braindead friend, you've already been TKO'd, you're just disputing the decision.
Uhm, except LL and the K's are the dominant champs, not those other fighters.

LL wasn't a dominant champ he AVOID Byrd.
Wladimir AVOIDED Chisora
Vitali AVOIDED RahmanDominant? Braindead! Glad you're back, I love schooling you. So you're logic is, if you don't fight absolutely every top fighter out there, then you are not dominant? Sure that's smart. Then Ali was never a dominant champ because he avoided ring top 10 guy Amos Lincoln. Moron

So your logic is, the dominant HW champs of the past 20 years are actually not as good as the smaller men they generally beat, who were never remotely in their league as champs. Sure, great logic. By that logic, Jimmy Young is far greater than Muhammad Ali.
Like when he wanted to quit against Liston and Frazier and his corner made him go out? Sure


I can't believe I have to say this. That the Byrds,Hayes of their eras are much tougher fighters then the big men of their era. Which is backed up by facts that "dominant champ" Lennox ducked Byrd and Haye gave Wladimir the toughest fight of his career. Gee, except they somehow were not the champs and LL and the K's were. Well, sure, but then Ali was weaker than that oh so stout Amos Lincoln.

weakwilled to resist his corner. You're grasping at straws and you're just plain sad.
No because your stupidity is so breathtaking its challenging for an intelligent person to comprehend.

Sorry but no. I called them quitters and you're reponse was "well he wanted to quit" but the end of the day DID HE QUIT? Therefore his mental strength is FACTUALLY superior. No, factually inferior, he wanted to quit, was browbeat by trainer into going out. Factually inferior.

Great rational response, uhm, except you have no rational abilities and are clearly flatlining on the brain activity chart.

Everything you said has been destroyed quite clearly. Except you have no rational evidence to make that claim, only your "na na world is round" delusions.

Wow, your stupidity is truly breathtaking. No moron, I was paraphrasing what you meant, YOU were saying you wanted to add subjective terms into unsubjective facts. Can't you even read? Go to English class.
Yes I have. You've once again failed to "explain" anything and only given delusional fan boy nostalgiaist non reasons. Come back to me when you actually have some facts.

Nah, You've gotta either be a fool or a troll. I never quoted statistics. I never said that. You quote statistics yet when I mention Marciano stats you said "different era"; there is subjective. You can't take that into account when quoting statistics.
Yes, the point is you have no statistics ie facts, or logic, to back up your delusions. No, Rocky's wins were against cruiserweights, that is a statistical fact completely undermining his H2H capabilities again true HWs. Again, statistics prove you wrong.

Marciano statiscally is the greatest figher of all time. Maybe, pfp and eraf era, I have him #3. H2H wise, he can't compete when looking at size and skill evolution of sports.

So, I'll paraphase you one more time "I can't debate rationally and have no facts or logic to back up my world is round hypothesis, so nana, you're stupid". Brilliant as always, braindead.

You can't debate. Everything you have said has been destroyed.
I can't debate against you, I can only dominate, because I have facts and logic, and you don't. Its not a true debate, you would need to have a debatable side. Statistics don't count for the class of the fighter so cannot be used.Ali beat the tougher fighters; Which as proven when no "modern giants" could KO George ForemanAli was never KO'd.

Ali NEVER DUCKED any fighterAli has faster feetwhich is evident by his style.


The only thing you bring to this debate is "size" and "modern" fighters.

You can't prove any of this to be true.

Ali Wins

So, let me again translate, "I have no logic or facts, but I believe the world is round so it must be so". You belief at the expense of observable data is something. You should start an "Ali cult, a religion that goes off faith instead of fact. That's your only defensible position.

 

THIS THREAD IS A JOKE!!!!! and btw the last 16 years of HW boxing have been the weakest in competition of all time! Thats a Fact

 

Braindead! Glad you're back, I love schooling you. So you're logic is, if you don't fight absolutely every top fighter out there, then you are not dominant? Sure that's smart. Then Ali was never a dominant champ because he avoided ring top 10 guy Amos Lincoln. Moron

To be considered "Dominant" you don't duck mandatory fighters. But you don't realize this as you don't know boxing.

Gee, except they somehow were not the champs and LL and the K's were. Well, sure, but then Ali was weaker than that oh so stout Amos Lincoln.

End of the day this is what happened. This is FACT

.weakwilled to resist his corner. You're grasping at straws and you're just plain sad.
No because your stupidity is so breathtaking its challenging for an intelligent person to comprehend.

I'm sad? Did he or did he not QUIT. That is what is being debated here not anything else. The answer is NO Ali is not a quitter.

No, factually inferior, he wanted to quit, was browbeat by trainer into going out. Factually inferior.

Great rational response, uhm, except you have no rational abilities and are clearly flatlining on the brain activity chart.

How is he factually inferior?can't wait to hear this. Because quitting and not quitting is that. You can't make anyone do anything. You think Wlad corner hold him to lay down against Brewster? LOL

Except you have no rational evidence to make that claim, only your "na na world is round" delusions.

Wow, your stupidity is truly breathtaking. No moron, I was paraphrasing what you meant, YOU were saying you wanted to add subjective terms into unsubjective facts. Can't you even read? Go to English class.
Yes I have. You've once again failed to "explain" anything and only given delusional fan boy nostalgiaist non reasons. Come back to me when you actually have some facts.

My "nana world" this is sad coming from someone who is debating a mythical match up.No I never once mentioned statistics apart from the Marciano quote,If I did please back it up? If not then it was indeed you.

I can't debate against you, I can only dominate, because I have facts and logic, and you don't. Its not a true debate, you would need to have a debatable side.

What facts or logic?
I am correct. You responses are pitiful and are mere "what if" while I am backing up everything with evidence.


So, let me again translate, "I have no logic or facts, but I believe the world is round so it must be so". You belief at the expense of observable data is something. You should start an "Ali cult, a religion that goes off faith instead of fact. That's your only defensible position.

I'm not surprised by this translation. Just quit son.

 

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Braindead! Glad you're back, I love schooling you. So you're logic is, if you don't fight absolutely every top fighter out there, then you are not dominant? Sure that's smart. Then Ali was never a dominant champ because he avoided ring top 10 guy Amos Lincoln. Moron

To be considered "Dominant" you don't duck mandatory fighters. But you don't realize this as you don't know boxing.
None of them have ducked mandatories. You don't know this as you have no clue about boxing or reality. And, since they are basically universally considered dominant by those with any semblance of boxing knowledge, I'd say you're off your meds again.

Gee, except they somehow were not the champs and LL and the K's were. Well, sure, but then Ali was weaker than that oh so stout Amos Lincoln.

End of the day this is what happened. This is FACT
Thanks for agreeing with me, glad you're turning the corner from total stupidity.

.weakwilled to resist his corner. You're grasping at straws and you're just plain sad.
No because your stupidity is so breathtaking its challenging for an intelligent person to comprehend.

I'm sad? Did he or did he not QUIT. That is what is being debated here not anything else. The answer is NO Ali is not a quitter. He quit trying to resist his trainer's superior will. My point is this is an irrelevant point, as irrelevant as the one on the top of your head.

No, factually inferior, he wanted to quit, was browbeat by trainer into going out. Factually inferior.

Great rational response, uhm, except you have no rational abilities and are clearly flatlining on the brain activity chart.

How is he factually inferior?can't wait to hear this. Because quitting and not quitting is that. You can't make anyone do anything. You think Wlad corner hold him to lay down against Brewster? LOL Proven per above moron

Except you have no rational evidence to make that claim, only your "na na world is round" delusions.

Wow, your stupidity is truly breathtaking. No moron, I was paraphrasing what you meant, YOU were saying you wanted to add subjective terms into unsubjective facts. Can't you even read? Go to English class.
Yes I have. You've once again failed to "explain" anything and only given delusional fan boy nostalgiaist non reasons. Come back to me when you actually have some facts.

My "nana world" this is sad coming from someone who is debating a mythical match up.No I never once mentioned statistics apart from the Marciano quote,If I did please back it up? If not then it was indeed you.
That's what I'm saying, you don't use statistic = facts because you don't have any. Only your mythical nuthuggin "world is round" views.

I can't debate against you, I can only dominate, because I have facts and logic, and you don't. Its not a true debate, you would need to have a debatable side.

What facts or logic? This says it all, you are so braindead as to be unable to recognize facts or logic.
I am correct. You responses are pitiful and are mere "what if" while I am backing up everything with evidence.
You have no evidence, only your subjective opinions. Learn what evidence is, I've provided it with other sports comparisons, and stats on size increases, ko effectiveness etc.

So, let me again translate, "I have no logic or facts, but I believe the world is round so it must be so". You belief at the expense of observable data is something. You should start an "Ali cult, a religion that goes off faith instead of fact. That's your only defensible position.

I'm not surprised by this translation. Just quit son.

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THIS THREAD IS A JOKE!!!!! and btw the last 16 years of HW boxing have been the weakest in competition of all time! Thats a Fact

Except you have no evidence to back up that "fact". People like you give boxing fans a bad name, as ignorant golden era nuthuggers immune to facts and reason. Logic Mauler is a good example of that.