RJJ V Hearns....MW

of course i ignored you. why would i want to waste my time going over silly rubbish all the time? i'm not in to that i'm afraid. :good

 

says one of ESB's biggest simpletons. am i allowed to say that? or will you accuse me of being a racist? :|

 

ahh, but i don't try to make Joe look better. i just call people out on their bull**** who try and discredit him with lies.

you talk a load of crap when it comes to Jones. just lies because you can't face the truth about your hero. also, you're meant to actually know what you're talking about when you praise your idols. you don't know anything about Roy. just what you wished he was. :hi:

 

assasin,

DM was unfairly stripped, but who says he was the best fighter? He beat Hill on points. Roy had the other major belt, and he destroyed Hill and beat every fighter who they both fought much more convincingly than DM did. Joe wanted the Crown Jewels to step up, but who was going to pay him them? HBO weren't.

HBO weren't interested when Collins challenged him in 1999. But earlier, Roy wasn't interested in Collins. He couldn't unify with Benn or Liles, so he moved up for a fresh challenge at 175. He was hardly going to be bothered about Collins's WBO belt was he?

How was DM the champ, when Roy had all of the belts at time of negotiations? It's not Roy's fault what happened to DM. He still had to beat 3 fighters for the belts. Who gives a **** if DM had to fight before Roy? At the end of the rainbow, there was a chance to win EVERY belt at 175, plus a cheque for $5M. It was turned down. Kerry Davis was the man who tried to make the fight for HBO. He was VP of programming. He knew Roy wouldn't go to Germany, and he could never get DM's promoter to negotiate with him. You haven't got a clue! Nobody in their right mind would turn down a proposed double header with a $5M cheque at the end of it, if they WANTED the fight. DM was happy to fight De Grandis for $1.5M. What does that say to you?

Who is disputing that Gerald wanted Roy? What I'm saying is, the fight wasn't viable at 160, and when Roy moved up to 168, Gerald remained at 160. Unfortunately when he did move up, it was for the terrible night with Benn. All you're saying is "Gerald wanted Roy!" Fine. Now tell me exactly how Roy DUCKED him? You can't!

No.

The trouble with you is, if you don't like something you read, you simply ignore it. HOW could Roy have fought Jackson, when he was being matched against nobodies by his Father, until they had a huge bust up in 1992? Fred Levin was one half of The Levin Brothers who handled Roy. The other was Stan. Fred Levin phoned Roy's father up and offered Roy title fight opportunities. Roy's father then rang back the day after and pretended that he'd spoken to Roy, and that Roy wasn't interested. After the bust up in 92, Fred and Stan got Roy to sign with HBO. He then fought better opponents and started to make waves in the division, culminating in a title shot against Hopkins. But after the Hopkins fight, he could NO LONGER make 160. So he moved up. Let me know when you've taken all of this in.

So what if Hopkins was the MW champ? Roy was a 3 weight world champ and he was the unified LHW champ. Roy wasn't going to lose muscle to fight a guy who he'd already beaten for 50/50. Answer me this question. Do you think that Hopkins would have given Roy 50/50 if he'd have won the fight in 93?

You're an entertainer!

Ha! Keep on kidding yourself. As if Joe and Enzo wouldn't have denied it. In the same article, he gave lots of praise to Joe saying that he was one of the best ever. But, he didn't believe in himself enough, and Showtime had also lost patience with him.

Frank lied when he said they'd chased Roy for years.

 

@ Loudon

this is getting stupid now! are you a troll? serious question?

DM had already proved to be the champ. what part of that don't you actually understand? how in the hell can Roy be champ of that division when he didn't even fight, let alone beat, DM? Jones could have as many trinkets as he likes, nothing would ever make him the champ until he beat DM. he didn't. so that's the end of it.

forget what title Collins had or never had, he was one of the best around. as usual, Jones opted to fight weaker opponents.

this WBO title thing seems to be another one of your serious weaknesses doesn't it? have you actually heard yourself? you sound like a crazy old man.

DM wasn't going to dance to the yanks tune in any way. he was the god damn champ! this is another hypocritical piece from you. when it comes to Jones, you say that other fighters had to go where the champ was. even though he was never a champ, you still have said this many times in the past. your story always bends to suit. every time. stop it, it's annoying.

get this through your thick head! Gerald wanted Jones, not Benn. if Jones had agreed to fight Gerald when people were calling for it, it would have happened there and then. Gerald wouldn't have even looked in Benn's direction. the only reason that he did go to the UK was to try and get a title to force Jones to fight him. Jones was terrified of the man.

LOL! you mean to say that Jones vs Jackson couldn't have taken place after 92? go and check out the dates and see for yourself.

forget what Hopkins might or might not have done, lets stick to the facts. Hopkins had earned the right for 50/50. their first fight had taken place years before the wanted rematch, so Jones beating him the first time around is neither here nor there.
it was the money that was the sticking point, not the weight. keep on track with what actually happened and not what exists in your head.

Frank said that comment only once to try and discredit Calzaghe because he left him. he never said it again. i buy the very newspaper that Wa55en has his column in, so i've read all of what he's said in the past. do you read that newspaper? or do you get your information elsewhere like like you always seem to do?

LOL! yeah, Joe and Enzo were going to set up a press conference to deny anything that Wa55en had said because that's what you do isn't it? by the fact that they never, it then must be all true, right?? LOL!!!

i've read Frank say many times recently that he did all he could to get Hopkins and Jones when they were all fresher. so stop with the crap.

 

Nothing more?

Like the WBC?

Was the WBC a trinket?

He'd proved to be the champ by beating Hill on points.

That got him the WBA and the IBF.

Roy had the WBC, and then destroyed Hill in 4 rounds.

So I agree that DM was unfairly stripped, but it didn't make "The man!"

How could it??

 

When he was pressured by fighters, he boxed them. - Pazienza.

When he faced good boxers, he fought them. - Griffin and Hill.

 

Ha! Well from the rubbish you've been spouting, I CLEARLY know more about him than you do.

You don't try to make Joe look better?

He was avoided, and had faster feet than Roy etc.

That's comedy gold.

Oh and this - He'd have STOPPED Roy when Roy was prime.

You need your own tv show. :good

 

RJJ KO Hearns at Middleweight, it wasn't Hearns optimum weight class.

 

I would literally bet my life, that Roy would knock Hearns out at MW, SMW and LHW.

 

assasin,

He'd beaten Hill for two titles. Roy held the other. It didn't make DM the ultimate 175 champ. How long as the WBC been a trinket?

Yeah, like Reggie Johnson who'd beaten Collins, and Griffin and Virgil Hill?

The WBO belt wasn't worth a packet of crisps back then.

He wasn't going to dance to their tune? He wasn't going to fight on a double header, to then fight for all the belts and $5M afterwards? Guess what Einstein? At the time of negotiations, Roy had ALL THREE belts.

Roy moved up to 168 in Nov 94. Gerald STAYED at 160. How did Roy duck him? You've given me nothing!

Jackson was the WBC belt holder and Roy had only just started fighting decent opponents. After he'd stepped up competition he fought Hopkins. Roy was nothing more than a bright prospect. People were excited, but he hadn't really done anything. Jackson had knocked out Graham and was a class fighter.

How the **** had he earned the right to 50/50? The money was the sticking point, BECAUSE Roy had ALREADY beaten him, and he'd have had to have gone down in weight. He was at the time, looking to go up to heavy, as I explained to you the other day. He wasn't going to drop 7 pounds, to fight a guy who he'd already beaten for half of the purse. I mean how hard is that to understand???

He wasn't on a mission to discredit him, because he heaped praise on him! So because you didn't see it in the Sun, it can't have been said or have taken place? Ha!

They didn't have to set up a press conference to deny it. As soon as someone like Froch says anything, Joe jumps on it. It's funny then that he never jumped on Frank for his comments about his lack of self belief and what the Showtime execs thought of him.

Apart from the fact that Joe turned down the opportunity to fight in America, and he never fought at Roy's weight class. atsch

 

Hopkins ducked a Super fight with Jones Jr.

That much can't be denied. Hopkins had everything to gain, that would have been one of the best victories of all time.. 60-40 with a victory that would have rivaled Duran- Leonard didn't seem worth it to Hopkins..

Know why? because he knew Roy would have smoked him. Roy had his number, as displayed immediately after a KO loss to Danny Green, Roy should have been granted at least one knockdown after Hopkins dropping to the canvass multiple times... Even the non elite version of Roy, could still bring the old man down to size... Hopkins looked worse than Roy in that fight.

Anytime before his move up to HW, Roy beats Hopkins.

Hopkins' best chance against a relevant version of Roy Jones was when Hopkins was 28 in Roy's first title fight with a broken wrist. He would have lost an even bigger decision in 02.

 

Of all the people Roy "ducked"

He beat the best two around his weight of the generation, in their twenties... Both would later have great success moving up in weight and winning world titles..

It kills some people, I know...

 

Hearns would have been destroyed by Roy.. Who was compared to Leonard, but much bigger, much faster, and had much more power...