Roy Jones without the peds

How would his opponents have done if they also weren't on PED's?

 

You go too far Rico....

 

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Have you even seen the Ruiz/Holyfield trilogy? Holyfield should have won all 3 and Ruiz got away with hitting/holding, excessive clinching, faking low blow etc. if not for his connections to Don king theres no way he would have gotten away with those tactics and Holyfield probably would have stopped this Fraud easily in the 1st fight and Ruiz never would have gotten his gift decision... Also. If Jones feat was "so amazing" then how come a blown up James Toney was able to replicate it so easily? Ruiz was a joke plain and simple! Also. I'd beat money on skilled SMW's like Ward, Calzaghe, Kessler, Froch etc at having a good shot at beating someone like Ruiz if they bulked up a bit. Like myself and Rico have stated. Ruiz only was able to accomplish what he did through BLATANT and unchecked CHEATING, and he wasn't allowed to use his usual dirty tactics in the Jones fight is which is why he lost the way he did! now if the same reffing was applied in earlier John Ruiz fights we wouldn't even be having this discussion!

 

"Blown up" James Toney? You mean one of the other most elite skilled fighters of the generation besides Roy? oh him, yeah.. I am sure you are one of the same ones who discredit Roy's schooling of Toney, well which one is it? You can't have "blown up" and "drained" at the same time..

Also, you are one stupid person if you think Ward or Calzaghe could bulk up and beat Ruiz.. Neither of them have the power to keep Ruiz respectful of them, which Rico doesn't like to admit, but a lot of why Ruiz was not holding and clinching against Roy, is because Roy was faster of foot than anyone Ruiz had ever fought, and he wasn't standing there to be held...

Also, Roy hit Ruiz early and hurt him, every time Ruiz tried to go offensive and charge Roy, he was getting punched with power that hurt him, speed that baffled him, while Roy was backing up faster than he ever experienced.... He literally had no way to prepare for that dynamic.. Which is why much of the fight Ruiz was standing there, hesitant to go after Roy.. His trainers were even pushing him violently pushing him in the corner, wondering why his gushing bloody snout was making him stand in the center of the ring letting Roy get off...

Give Roy some credit for that.. No it wasn't Lennox, but it was a hell of an accomplishment... It pretty much takes a hater to not realize.

Ruiz would beat up Calzaghe, Kessler, Ward and Froch, most likely by stoppage... You don't know a thing about boxing if you think it didn't have a lot to do with Roy's style, skill set, power, and speed that those fighters didn't have to compete at that weight.

 

It was an OK win but it's not nearly as great as people like you make it out to be. Ruiz definitely wasn't allowed to use his usual tactics, how can you deny that???

Roy definitely had a carefully managed career and he was an infamous ducker. Was he a good fighter? Yes of course he was. Was he an overrated fraud who for the better part of his career was very careful in picking fights? Yes.

 

another pom post to try and make every one beleive joe cal slappy was better then roy jones NEWS FLASH joe got put on his arse by a shot roy jones joe did not have the balls to fight him in his prime FACT. roy jones was a super athlete plain & simply a once in a generation fighter so just deal with he did not need ped's just his god given natural abilities SPEED,POWER & SUPER HUMAN REFLEXES. cheers

 

You have your opinion.. and it was a great win, with the circumstances.

But in no way could just any SMW move up and beat Ruiz.. Jones did, Toney did.. But Toney also got schooled by Roy, and never ruled LHW like Jones. Toney was one of the most skilled fighters I have seen.. Toney also beat Holyfield and Rahman.. That doesn't hurt Jones as much as it shows that James Toney was great in his own right.

Also, it goes back to Ruiz not holding because of the skills of Jones. He knew Ruiz would try to get close and hold, he never allowed it, he didn't stand there like a typical HW..

It wasn't as great as Roy beating Lewis, I know that... But it was still amazing to watch.

And as for Roy being a ducker, every fighter in history misses certain fights with the business side of boxing getting more and more involved as time goes on... Roy's career was calculated carefully, but it wasn't all his fault.. I hate the saying "don't hate the player, hate the game" but it seems to describe Roy's situation.

 

the talk on here is crazy so much hate, you guys are worse then hip hop fans

 

I think Roid Jones got caught with roids in Indiana................

 

Does anyone know if Jones was ever knocked out as an amateur?

 

Nobody is saying that Ruiz was GREAT. But he was effective, and if he was complete and utter garbage there's no way he could have won any version of the title.

James Toney was a great fighter, but you have to remember that James didn't make the choice to go up to HW like Roy did. James had to fight as a HW, because he simply could not make 175 or below. His weight was completely out of control.

It's ok you saying Kessler, Ward, Froch and Calzaghe could beat someone like Ruiz, but have they got the bollocks to give it a go? The answer is no. Calzaghe was RELUCTANT to even move up to 175. What a joke! There's no way he would ever have considered fighting even a domestic or European level HW.

Lets see the Super Six guys go up to fight a CW.

It's not gonna happen.

None of today's guys at 168 or 175 look as though they'll go up.

So lets give Roy some credit.

he was 34 years old. He'd had 50 fights. He was outweighed by 20 pounds on the night, after he'd himself bulked up.

Any former 160/165/175 that fights at HW deserves credit no matter who they fight.

Do you think it's a coincidence that nobody had achieved what Roy had in 106 years?

It was ten years since Roy fought Ruiz.

So what's happened within the last ten years? Who else has gone up and done the same thing? Nobody.

Go and ask someone big like De Gale if he'd ever fight ANYONE at HW.

You're just a hater!