Glass Jaws in MMA vs Boxing

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do you understand that or do you want me to put it more simple for you.
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When boxing gloves were smaller, KO rates were no higher. Hell, some of those old bareknuckle fights people like Sullivan were in went 50 rounds. Sure, the rounds weren't as long, but it wasn't like entire fights were over more quickly.

Like someone else said, the padding on the gloves is mostly to protect a fighter's hands. If someone has a solid chin, they will stand up to any punch, gloved or not. Similarly, if they have a glass jaw, and they get hit right, the gloves don't matter. The chin DOES.

 

Good post :good

 

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For christ sakes you got guys getting knocked down and KOed by Jabs. That has nothing to do with the gloves. That has to do with Glass Jaws.

 

These frauds can't punch to save their lives and can't take a punch.Pathetic really but UFC fanboys are what they are-gullible wanna be's.atsch

 

Uh, in Dempsey's era, guys used 6 ounce gloves, so thread = FAIL.

If you want a grown man to pound you in the ass, that's your lifestyle. You don't have to push it on boxing fans.

Be YOU.

That's all you can be.

 

I think the gloves are a factor, for sure, but also it's the fact that there's a "survival of the fittest" thing going on, in that most of the elite boxers have good chins because they have to! It's a big determining factor in boxing, and always has been.

Turn it around for a minute. Watch Toney and McCallum fighting with "pillows" on. I contend that the punches they land on each other would kayo MMA fighters, but for the most part these guys don't blink when hit! I do think boxers as a rule have better chins, in the same way that MMA fighters are generally stronger than boxers.

On gloves;I saw a programme that compared the gloves and it DID say there was more impact with the MMA gloves, but not by a massive margin. I am not anti MMA, by the way.

 

When boxing gloves were smaller, supermiddlweights like Bob Fitzsimmons, Sam Langford, and Joe Choynski were considered murderous heavyweight punchers.

You also need to adjust for reduced combination punching, a lot more wrestling during in-fighting, and overall a very different style of boxing.

A round ended when a fighter was knocked or thrown under London Prize Ring Rules. Fighters deliberately went down when they needed a rest, which made for a lot of short rounds. You also have to factor in the damage to the knuckles after several minutes of bareknuckle fighting -- something that modern MMA fighters don't deal with. This isn't remotely comparable.

Fighters who've been hit on the chin with MMA gloves claim that they inflict more damage. In sparring, boxers and MMA fighters alike insist on "softer", more heavily padded gloves. Professional boxers will negotiate about using "puncher's" gloves in big matchups rather than regular gloves, with padding as one of the main differences. And for what it's worth, K-1 kickboxers seem easier to hurt with punches in MMA, where the gloves are smaller.

Yeah, the MMA gloves protect a fighter's hands, but they also make for more knockouts.

 

Nothing on the fact that chins tend to be much worse in MMA than in boxing? come on dude, MMA is filled with glass jaws it has nothing to do with the gloves... there are a few iron chinned warriors like BJ Penn, but most guys have either very poor chins or average chins... there isn't any in between aside from a few exceptions.

 

We're dealing with two different factors here.

First, I agree with you that MMA fighters tend to get knocked out more easily on average. A lot of them come from sports that don't filter out weak chins -- judo, BJJ, wrestling. Not all of them have years of experience rolling with punches, either. (Those who come from something like kickboxing or MT are often more durable.)

Second, though, the gloves clearly do make a difference. Zakman's post says that they don't, which conflicts with most of the evidence, including the evidence that he cited.

If you switched MMA fighters to 8-10 oz. gloves somehow, you'd see more of your "iron chinned warriors." Not as many as boxing, but more.

 

For the record is this arugument strictly Punches in Boxing vs. Punches in MMA?

Cause once you throw head kicks and knees to the face into the argument it becomes harder to judge. Even iron chinned Vitali Klitschko was KO'd by a head kick in kickboxing, but has never been down by a punch. Obviously kicks have way more impact. I'm not sure you have a "glass jaw" if you're knocked out by a head kick.

 

The same kick wouldn't even make Vitali flinch now... He was a skinny kid then. He didn't have the punch resistance that he has today. Also He wasn't "KO'd" they keep you down in those type of competitions when you get knocked down like that for safety reasons.. If that taken place in K-1 Vitali would have been given a standing count and would have made it up.