JCC Sr vs Manny Pacquiao At 135

Pac had one fight at 135.

Not really fair to put him in against the Chavez that put in a infighting clinic for the ages against Rosario. That Chavez is as close to perfection on a given night as I have seen. Pacquaio has speed and power but, his will not want to be trading punches with Chavez which is exactly what he will have to do. I don't see Pacquaio taking them well. He hasn't been hit like he would be against Chavez at 135. Chavez's chin will retain it's reputation in this bout.

Chavez on points because I think Manny at that point in his career finds a way to be competitive throughout the bout.

 

Reverse olmost everising in dis post 2 meik it korekt:
Chavez kud not krak n eg vs Rosario, Pacquiao has spid n pawer , bat olso chin , difens & tekhnik.
I sink det it wil b mach mor Chavez wum wud not wont 2 treid wiz Pacquiao.
Pacquiao fot bilow , et end ebav dis w8 , so no problem meching him egeinst laitw8s .
Chavez' chin wil ider luz its reputeishen, krakt, ruind or sam kombineishen of diz in dis fait .
Pacquiao woz e far supirior faiter 2 Rosario, I biliv det Pacquiao olso hit harder .
Wot e posibli past hiz praim Hatton did 2 Malignaggi , Cotto end Broner did not menej .
End den luk @ wot Pacquiao did 2d sapowzedli biger, end not older Hatton:
no1 els menejd it inkluding de vastli over8ed Floyd Mayweather Jr..

 

Was that you who voted that Pacqauio KOs Chavez?

At Chavez's best weight and at a weight that Pacquaio only had one fight at 135? I don't see Chavez getting KO'ed. That sounds a bit over the top. Chavez is not like anyone that Pacquaio has fought. None of Pacqauio's opponents up to 135 has ever put it all together in one fighter like Julio Cesar Chavez. He was a more complete fighter than Pacquiao himself who after the first Barerra fight turned into a 1-2 head hunter.

If anyone his getting KO'ed in this match it is Pacquaio, who has been buzzed from one shot on multiple times throughout his prime and laid down face first in his last fight. Face first from one shot.

Anyhow, thanks for the reply.

 

feis 1st after heving hiz fut stept on b4 de panch.
End haw mach taim did Chavez Sr. spend @ 135 wich woz "hiz best w8" ekording 2u? les den e yir. It mait hed bin hiz best w8 wen hi woz geting gifts from de jajes @ 130 :yep
N over8ed cowkt ap Rosario, e hedbat vs e feided Ramirez wich "won" him de fait bai TD prior 2 posibli gasing out/slowing end geting hemerd end ez hard 2 biliv ez it iz , Ramirez woz in 4 e wors biting egeinst Rosario in deir 2nd fait end stil priveild bai stoping Rosario brutali .
Rosario iz over8ed , i keim 2 dis konklujen after woching bows of hiz faits vs Ramirez end hiz faits vs Camacho , Chavez end i m olmost shur 4geting et list inader fait of hiz det i wocht . Olmost everi1 of hiz ader oponents woz simpli ider bedli feided or jast not rili gud .
Olso de Rosario wum fot Chavez woz probabli not @ hiz best et ol .
Pacquiao > Rosario @ 135 h2h end iven legasi waiz b/c et list hi did not get stopt der anlaik Rosario's bi'ing stopt twais @ 135 end did not bit beter oponents @ beter sheip dan Pac did der .
Olso 1 shud not ignor deir per4mances ebav @ bilow 135 .
I rank Chavez hayer p4p dan Pacquiao if it meix u hepi , bat it daz not min det i sink det hi wud hev biten him 4 granted , et list not in dis keis .

 

Chavez was a better fighter, a greater fighter, and this was Chavez best weight. Pacquiao gets beat down & stopped late, his defence is not strong enough & he fights too brave to last with Chavez.

Chavez TKO11 Pacquiao

 

At 135. Edwin Rosario did more work than Pacquaio (one fight) and Mayweather (four fights) combined. It is no question that they were better than him p4p. That is not a question. But, had either of them had to face a prime top form Chavez they would have gotten beaten up as well.

 

Rosario got stopt thrice @ 135 , got e gift over Ramirez end probabli over Randall ez well , if det iz mor work , i hev nasing els 2 ed .
Rosario iz over8ed , end Chavez' win over him ez hiz karir gr8est meix mi rimaind in de word of sam1 det Chavez' karir iz ol feri teils (end samsing els wich i 4got) .
Pacquiao hit harder dan Chavez , woz quiker , hed beter tekhnik , woz et list ez agresiv , woz stronger . De onli sing det Chavez hed mor dan Pacquiao iz probabli chin , bat Chavez' panch kud not sret Pacquiao's chin , hawever Pacquiao's panch wud hev bin e sret 2 Chavez .

 

It looks as if you don't think Chavez is in the same league as Pacquaio.

You must rank Pacquaio at 135 around the same as Roberto Duran. Maybe you think that he is higher than Duran because DeJesus, Viruet, Lampkin, and Buchanon are overrated.

Is that about what I should be gathering?

 

Duran is Duran and Chavez is Chavez.
Duran is far more proven than Chavez, whom is proven, just not enough 4 me 2 think that he could overcome all of his disadvantages against Pacquiao.
Lampkin is barely r8ed so I doubt if he is over8ed, I guess your mere mentioning of him proves that u over8 him.

And I give Pacquiao a shot @ beating Duran (DeJesus did it @ 140 , both him and Duran were lightweights b4 and after their fight @ 140)

 

Thank you for forcing me to do some research.

You give Pacquaio a shot against Duran at 140 because he beat Ricky Hatton there? His lone one. I don't hold that against him and I will give you that it was a great win. Duran's record at 140 was 24-1-18 KOs give or take a fight. That DeJesus fight was a ten round non-title that Duran was starting to come back in on my card. He came back twice and proved who was the better fighter. This 140 output was all during his lightweight reign. We are talking about prime Duran. If you think that Pacquaio could take Duran at 140 you are saying the Pacqauio is a better fighter than the prime Duran.

Now, back to Chavez. I will take Rosario over David Diaz all day. David Diaz is Pacqauio's only fight at 135. I think Chavez at his best destroys David Diaz. He might not make it four rounds. He destroyed Rosario, and he would out punch, out muscle, and out last Pacquaio who has never seen anything like the stredy pressure, defense, and powerful hard combination punching of Chavez. it would be a good fight but, Pacquaio is very limited in his offensive approach. He is fast but so was Taylor at a higher weight and a less that prime Chavez and dispite the controversy, Chevez started pound on this man and put him on his back. If it went 15, Taylor was stopped in 13. A prime Chavez would have dealt with Pacqauio speed and power because he could and has.

As far as Ray Lampkin' rankings (This could be wrong but this guy seems to be as avid a fan of Lampkins as you are of Pacquaio)

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Il Duce is not a fan of Ray Lampkin and does not know much about this sport aside from reading text, manipulating it and then posting it here with many ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I am not an "avid" "fan" of Pacquiao either.
Chavez' showing against Rosario was not very impressive due 2 3 things:
1) It was Rosario
2) It was not even Rosario @ his best, for some reason
3) Chavez displayed his featherfistedness in this fight to its extreme

Did u watch this fight u keep mentioning? b/c I did and hence my impression about it.

Pacquiao was a superior h2h fighter to DeJesus, at least when on de juice :yep, but are we going to disqualify an entire generation b/c of it?
burt brooks is trying to impersonate a GGG & Mathysse fan 4 what its worth.
Also, it is not a forgone conclusion that Duran and his generation were not on the juice,
Ali took testosterone shots for one.
Of course I give Duran a much better chance against Pacquiao than I give Chavez.
I already explicitly posted that I rank Chavez higher than Pacquiao on all time p4p lists.
It is just that for the reasons that I mentioned, which could be abbreviated by using the word "stylistically" I think that Pacquiao would overwhelm Chavez @ some point which might be early. If Chavez survives, he might become a Camacho after it, if he does not opt to Camacho right off the butt.
Pacquiao was no Rosario or Meldrick Taylor.

 

Honestly, we are spending too much time on Lampkin aren't we.

From the looks of it he was a number one ranked fighter when he fought Duran. If he wasn't correct me. Duran at 140 was 24-1-18KOs Duran. DeJesus was not Pacquaio p4p but that doesn not mean he wasn't great in his own right. He was. Duran was in his prime even at 140 and there he KO's Lord Pacquaio because his a better boxer and puncher than Pacquaio.

I have seen and studied the Rosario fight. Not to win and argument but, because it was a beautiful display of infighting. The best I have ever seen. One of the most dominate wins a challeger has ever had over a champion. In one of the final rounds Rosario couldn't get out off his corner before Chavez was on him. No one said Rosario was greater than Pacquaio but he was better than David Diaz, Ricky Hatton, and everyone that Pacquaio has fought not named Barerra, Morales, Marquez. De La Hoya was a shell. His wins over those three happened before 135 which is where this fight is taking place.

Who is talking about "juice"? Not me nor do I want to talk about it. When has Chavez in his prime been in trouble early or ever. All of a sudden Pacquaio is going to dominate him I doubt it.

I gotta jet. Thanks for the nice convo.

 

I am referring to Chavez vs Rosario. Did u watch it?

Duran was a better boxer, but how would it matter when he gets tagged hard and fast on his chin, possibly more than once and probably not just on his chin?
Also try to keep it Chavez vs Pacquiao b/c as I already posted I do give Duran a better chance against Pacquiao than I do Chavez.

Again, Rosario was a much lesser fighter than Pacquiao and besides, he did not fight like him.
And I was clear about my impressions about the Rosario fight.
Have a nice jet.
Good day/night/morning/evening/noon.

 

My thoughts on Chavez - Rosario

I have seen and studied the Rosario fight. Not to win and argument but, because it was a beautiful display of infighting. The best I have ever seen. One of the most dominate wins a challeger has ever had over a champion. In one of the final rounds Rosario couldn't get out off his corner before Chavez was on him. No one said Rosario was greater than Pacquaio but he was better than David Diaz, Ricky Hatton, and everyone that Pacquaio has fought not named Barerra, Morales, Marquez. De La Hoya was a shell. His wins over those three happened before 135 which is where this fight is taking place.

The one I had has Sugar Ray Leonard commentation. He was very impressed especially when Rosario tried to rally and Chavez weaved about 20 punches then coming back with three straight left hook and put Rosario on the ropes.....

So yeah...I watched it.

Yeah...big deal. I watch that and plenty other fights. You are one of the few to pick Pacquaio over Chavez at 135 by KO no less. Did you watch it? Maybe watch it again.