Phil Davis vs Lyoto Machida

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by shadow111, Aug 4, 2013.


  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Did Phil Davis really beat Lyoto Machida? It was a very close fight. I thought Machida landed the more significant strikes, but those two takedowns at the end of the 1st and 2nd rounds apparently swung the rounds in favor of Davis.

    They were impressive and Davis was competitive in the standup, but Machida also prevented many takedowns with his slip and shake away takedown defense. Machida landed a great left hand in the 2nd round. I think Machida just got a little too loose those two times and let Davis grapple the body. It's amazing how two takedowns like that can swing a fight. I thought it was a very good performance from Machida, at 35 years of age his striking seems to be getting better and better. and he was giving away a significant reach advantage to Davis.

    Very interesting fight, do you guys think that those two takedowns were enough to give it to Davis?
     
  2. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Machida sadly just doesn't have a judge friendly style. Whilst those of us who love technical striking, the UFC seem to want all their fighters to fight wild, basically come out swinging. That will never be Lyoto's style. He is more calculated, slows the pace down, uses defence and footwork and looks to counter. I felt Machida won the fight, but didn't put a stamp on it.

    Saying that I still felt he should have got the decision. Davis aside from the take downs barely did a thing. Many failed take down attempts too. Machida picked him off quite often in the striking.

    I guess you have to throw a 1000 punches a round now to win it, or alternatively, get a take down at the end of it, and lay on top for a minute, and that also seems to work.
     
  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah rainmaker I agree. The scoring in UFC is such that...when there is not a lot of striking, a single takedown can swing a round. 3 round Machida fights are always controversial, but if Machida stays on his feet, he wins the fight clearly. He landed the better strikes and kicks, but Davis did a very good job on standup, lets give credit where it's due. He was competitive in the standup, and I think the standup was close enough to where the judges gave Davis rounds 1 and 2. (one judge actually gave Machida the 1st, and Davis rounds 2 and 3...not sure what fight he was watching) Machida clearly won the 3rd and had impressive takedown defense in that round.

    I think the best way to score MMA fights is to really have 2 seperate scores, one for takedowns and one for striking.

    Machida won the striking in each round, though it was competitive. Davis won the takedowns in rounds 1 and 2, and I believe Machida "won" the takedowns in round 3 by stuffing Davis's takedown attempts in that round.

    I think the fairest scorecard probably would be :
    Machida Davis
    10-10
    10-10
    10-9

    I looked at it like the takedowns in round 1 and 2 saved Davis from losing the round, essentially evening up the round. (rounds Machida would have won if there were no takedowns) In round 3, Machida won that round and the fight on my card.

    I think it was a very good fight despite how short 3 round UFC fights are. A 5 round rematch between these two would be very entertaining. I do think Machida won, but lets give Davis credit for a smart fight. Davis might have a better shot of beating Jones, but I'm not sure he is more deserving of a title shot than Machida. I thought Machida fought an excellent fight, the movement was very good and striking and kicks were good.
     
  4. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know Machida's style is countering and I don't expect the man to turn in to a mindless brawler to win a fight, but Machida needs to be more active. When he's not knocking somebody out, he's standing back, willing to wait a little to long for the counter and never really separates himself as the winner of the round.
    He's like a pro boxer who doesn't have enough power to KO anybody and doesn't throw 100 punches per round to win on activity... A lot of times you see those guys in plenty of draws. That's what plenty of Machida fights are except there is 3 rounds and usually no even scoring for the round, so he leaves it in the hands of the judges yet again. Again I understand his style, but he should know he has to do a little more.
     
  5. EL BULLY

    EL BULLY Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If you're a striker but you can't manufacture an opening to land your shots it's only half of the game. Simply waiting for your opponent to expose his chin for 3 rounds so you can land a shot is **** poor and explains why Machida has been in the top 10 for a long time but will never hold a strap. He dances and skips around half-feigning shots but it is completely ineffectual against top guys, it didn't even work against Davies who is only marginally better than **** IMO. I think he may well have entered the 'gatekeeper' phase of his career after this loss and performance.
     
  6. benebox

    benebox Active Member Full Member

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    This was clearly a ploy from the UFC to cheat Machida from regaining his title. Last thing they want is for their poster boy to lose. Now we have to pretend like Glover is a legit challenger.
     
  7. afterglow

    afterglow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The UFC has nothing to do with the judges.

    They don't hire them and have no say on who does get hired to judge a night of fights.
     
  8. EL BULLY

    EL BULLY Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Same conspiracy nuts that said the Dana fixed the Silva fight, even though he was arguably the no 1 poster boy in the UFC.

    Everytime a fighter loses, a portion of their fans cry conspiracy. People are ****ing weird.
     
  9. CrashStitches

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    Conspiracy theories are cute, but really it comes down to this: MMA uses boxing scoring with boxing judges. When you try to wrap a cracked pipe with duct tape, there will be leaks. These leaks come through where the gaps between action and criteria open. MMA is fluid, but these rules commissions want to carry it in a wicker basket.
     
  10. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Much like the Rampage fight, Machida has lost himself another bout through over rating what he's done. Sure he threw some punches but there was little of note. There was little to stop the takedown swaying the first 2 rounds. They weren't definitive but he can't cry. Then when he finally switched on he showed what he could do with great takedown defence and sharp punches and won the third round, just like against Rampage.
     
  11. Thom

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    The UFC selects the judges and referees who work cards in places like Brazil that don't have any real governmental regulation of MMA.

    That doesn't mean that there's a conspiracy. Most MMA officials are incompetent.
     
  12. Chael

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    Absolute ****ing robbery. A lot of people had it 30-27 for Machida. I scored it 29-28 for Machida but really wasn't expecting that if I'm honest.
     
  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah I didn't agree with the decision myself. This fight was too short. Machida would like a rematch and I think Machida Davis II would be a good candidate for a 5 round non title fight. Machida fights need to really be at least 5 rounds. 3 rounds are just too short. His style isn't the problem. He is a smart intelligent and effective style. His style is better suited for longer fights.

    The only time he was stopped badly was in Rua II, and the reason why was because he was too aggressive after the controversial decision in their first fight. Lyoto is at his best when he wins close rounds by not getting hit and landing the better strikes. His takedown defense is also superb, but I'm not going to call it a robbery because Davis to his credit managed to take Machida down twice in a 3 round fight and that's hard to do. a 5 round rematch would be very entertaining. Davis is a very game fighter though, and should be commended for his performance. I thought Machida slightly edged it with some great kicks and that hard left hand in the 2nd round but it was close enough to be deserving of a rematch.

    Machida apparantly dropped down to #2 and Davis up to #4 in the Light Heavyweight UFC division. He was the #1 contender before last weekend.
     
  14. Wilhelm

    Wilhelm Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought Machida did a lot more in the fight and Davis just landed some takedowns but didn't deserve to win. Machida will have to learn to be more aggressive. Davis...I don't know if he's that much better than the guy who got beaten easily by Evans.
     
  15. Thom

    Thom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Machida didn't do "a lot more," he was just more effective. They landed the same number of strikes and Davis outthrew him by almost 40 strikes over the course of the fight.

    I thought Machida clearly should have won too, but this is what happens when you fight in a super conservative, negative style in front of incompetent judges.