Cleverly considering retirement

Thats the top job in the maths game but I seriously doubt he will ever make an actuary as those guys usually have a 1st not a measly 2:2.

I still think he is Euro title level and could make some decent money before he calls it a day. They goofed up Saturday night because they were banking on the Russian using up his energy in the first third of the fight and then for him to do his gay dancing+boxing for the last 8 rounds to get a points decision. They did not factor in the probability of the Russian catching him.

 

Super Middleweight is where he should go imo.

Could have some fantastic fights with Groves Degale Steiglitz etc

 

Jesus atsch

 

If he could make 168 the guy could be in some fantastic fights.

 

It wasn't like he was working in Asda while getting his 2:2, he was busy becoming a famous champion boxer. I'm sure doors will open for him.

I think it would be bizarre for him to give up now though. Surely he knows deep down that he wasn't really world champion? He has a lot left to give, and a lot left to prove. Malignaggi isn't the worst role model, and he's had a great career.

 

I watch boxing a lot and do it as an amateur, but don't post on here much, so i know as a 'newbie' il probably get a lot of stick, but i agree with bbjc comments above, surely we should look a bit more into the fact cleverly has just been absolutely obliterated by a guy when hes never been down amateur or pro, and has commented today that he 'knew after one punch he was in trouble and might get knocked out' and that he felt like he was 'being hit with a hammer', surely its difficult for this man to punch with such a massive difference to any other fighter, obviously he can punch harder but on such a large scale of difference? also i noticed he didnt take his hand wraps off in the ring? dno if thats a coincidence

 

Who knows how good Kovalev will turn out to be? He could rule 175 for the next few years.Nathan isn't shite because he lost. Maybe it just shows how good Kovalev is? Time will tell anyway

 

Good point. I wonder how many people could combine studying for a degree in mathematics with a full time career in boxing at the same time? Not many is my guess.

I doubt we'll see Cleverly on the dole queue any time soon. More likely he would get a pundit job given he is clever than most of them and can talk.

 

Cleverly is inexperienced, Saturday night proved that in glorious technicolor.

It's hard to know if it was Kovalev who was too good or if Clev just wasn't prepared for that kind of test. Like you say time will tell.

 

To me, he's obviously shaken up by those shots he took from Kovalov. He even said "They shake up the brain a bit." - He's obviously worried about future health in terms of if he runs into another with the same brutal power.

The problem is, Cleverly isn't hungary enough and has a fair bit to fall back on. But could he really come back and only challenge at European level?

Khan didn't do that - he came back and took on the big boys, Cleverly has to do the same and start to work on his gameplan again. He clearly got a bit too ****y and thought he could take every shot coming at him.

Let's face it a period of facing second rate challengers like Karpency, Hawk and Krasniki has cost Cleverly dear, he wasn't ready for the fight. He has to come back and face good fighters if he is to come back. Otherwise what's the point?

 

There's maybe something to look at, if guys are combining studying for a degree in maths and having a full time career in boxing (great achievement), are we putting enough hours in required at the top/elite level. I know how hard these guys train but are the hours long enough or on par with the americans, russians, etc etc. I know how important rest is but surely there's thing that can be worked on that aren't too energy sapping

Thats what i m questioning, are the russians now training like the chinese athletics team from kids or something. I think tromo makes some good points, these guys aren't punching like other regular boxers, you can hear the thud behind their punches, like a young mike tyson, who we know was a pretty special case and was trained from a relatively young age with one goal in mind to become the heavyweight champion of the world. His whole focus was on training and achieving that goal and the jury could still be out weather they had him on something or not...which personally i dont believe.

Someone above said it was down to how relaxed they are and how good their technique is thats where the power is coming from but to me it looks like more than that, i would query it if these guys are training the same way as the uk guys and getting these results without being on something, but is it the case there training differently - longer hours, more weights, less weights, working from an early age. etc etc..anyone know for sure how there training??

 

I think the point is that people miss mike is that karpency, hawk and krasniki aren't that bad fighters. We're now calling pac-man, mayweather, hopkins, guys of that callibre good fighters...they are exception fighters. We're calling guys at the very top just good fighter's. we've got to start getting it right, cleverly's a good fighter maybe guys like he fought on saturday night are going to go on to become exceptional fighters.

We cant really just say if we're not fighting the very best whats the point of trying. Get him back in there see where he's at see if he's training right, still got the hunger for it and start to build him up again gradually and see where it takes him. Get him in their with guys at european level where he's been fighting at after a few quick confidence builders and if he's beating them time for one or two fringe world level or whatever, if not thats his level...no shame in that still a good career, good following in wales etc etc a lot of good nights to be had.

What they've done is had him fighting at about european level then stick him in with someone that looks likely to become a bit of top man for a few years to come. It's usually what they do with guys that have been found out already...would be interested to know ******'s real reasoning behind putting him in there...contract nearly up?? Maybe just too good an offer to turn down.

Quality post though mike

 

It is much more likely to be that Cleverly never faced any really big punchers your entire career. Kovalev has always been a massive puncher, it's not like all of a sudden his power increased ten fold.

 

i think once the dust has settled clev will come back to the sport.

i think he should go and spend some time in the states he may have gone a bit stale with vince.

also khan didnt jump stright back in with the big boys he was very well matched after the prescott loss, so hopefully warden can do the same for clev.

 

Perhaps their putting these kids on something from a young age...sure i remember a story about one of the klitchko's being caught as an amatuer on something. Again maybe the guy was just the better man but think we'd be foolish not to question it though. These guys are serious punchers and there punching power doesn't seem to slow down as the fight goes on, seems like every punch has big power on them and to top it off their relaxed while throwing it's not like their getting their power from putting everything into it as people have stated.