Floyd Mayweather ATG Ranking ?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by ajackman1, May 16, 2012.


  1. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    If there is one who selected Cotto as a handpicked opponent,it is probably you.

    You actually put a bet that Cotto will not win more than 2 rounds!!!!! If that is not a handpicked opponent, I don't know what to call that.

    Opponents who are not handpicked would have better odds than that.

    BTW,you still owe me an avatar bet.
     
  2. sweetray

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    He avoided too many challenges to be between the 25 greatest.
     
  3. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Cotto won 3 rounds on 2 judges scorecards and matched my prediction on another. So i was very close. Dont worry ill get to your avy widdle fellah.
     
  4. Fighting Pride

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    He is top 100, I don't know that I'd consider him a top 50 ATG just yet.

    Proclaiming himself the greatest despite his underwhelming resume these past few years isn't that impressive to me and I'm not placing him amongst the very greatest based on what he supposedly can do instead of on what he's done.

    The guy for the most part since moving up to 140 has managed to not fight the elite fighters available to take on fighters he should easily beat like Ortiz, Baldomir, Gatti, Marquez cheating him on the scales..and the ones he did face he did so when they were older and past their prime (Cotto, 38yo Mosley).

    His best wins in that time were vs Hatton who he made move up to fight him when he could have fought him at 140 after Hatton beat Tszyu and Mayweather beat Gatti. And an old and rusty DLH, which he gets credit for going up to fight and allowing many to have many advantages over him, but it wasn't a very impressive performance and he was fortunate Oscar faded.

    Infact whenever Floyd faced an elite fighter who wasn't completely shot or ancient they gave him a bit of trouble (DLH, Castillo, Cotto, Hatton..and even shot Mosley put him on ***** st though he did well to shut Mosley out after that). Corrales was the only exception, his greatest win all up and most flawless performance. No disrespect, but if Corrales is your greatest win, and you managed not to fight so many great fighters that you could have, you don't deserve to be up there.

    There are two left who are still elite and can prop up his legacy up there with the best, but if he avoids them as usual I personally won't consider him anywhere near the level of the Whitaker's, Leonard's, Hearn's, Duran's, Armstrong's, Greb's, Robinson's, Ali's..If he doesn't fight Pacquiao or Martinez I'll see him as a great talent with a carefully managed career once he reached the point where he could pick and choose his fights which cost him a legacy as one of the greatest.
     
  5. P4P_Hero

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    Yea, but I think 50 is taking it a little too far. But, I see your point and would agree.
     
  6. ajackman1

    ajackman1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think your being way over the top, you some valid points but I think Floyd is top 30. No higher than somewhere in the 20's. I agree he is not as great as he proclaims and not as great many before for him however he is still an all time great and I think your kinda underrating his greatness. I know he hasnt fought everybody but lets be real the only great fighter he hasn't fought is pacquiao. To counter your point about him at times against non shot elite fighters, the truth is it doesnt matter how great of a fighter you are you are never going to dominate every single fight and win every single round, when you fight world class opposition like Floyd, there are times when you going to be tested and have some trouble. The great fighters like Floyd are able to adjust to whatever trouble you give and be able to come back an find a way to clear victory. Whenever any fighter gave him trouble he was still able to figure them out, adjust and then dominate them or still come out with a clear victory
     
  7. jaymon112

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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This was before last night:

    01 - Sam Langford
    02 - Harry Greb
    03 - Sugar Ray Robinson
    04 - Henry Armstrong
    05 - Ezzard Charles
    06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
    07 - Muhammad Ali
    08 - Joe Gans
    09 - Joe Louis
    10 - Roberto Duran.
    11 - Benny Leonard
    12 - Mickey Walker
    13 - Willie Pep
    14 - Barney Ross
    15 - Archie Moore
    16 - Ray Leonard
    17 - George Dixon
    18 - Terry McGovern
    19 - Packey McFarland
    20 - Pernell Whitaker
    21 - Tony Canzoneri
    22 - Jimmy McLarnin
    23 - Sandy Saddler
    24 - Stanley Ketchel
    25 - Charley Burley
    26 - Holman Williams
    27 - Billy Conn
    28 - Gene Tunney
    29 - Roy Jones
    30 - Joe Walcott
    31 - Carlos Monzon
    32 - Jimmy Wilde
    33 - Eder Jofre
    34 - Marvin Hagler
    35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
    36 - Tommy Gibbons
    37 - Kid Gavilan
    38 - Jack Britton
    39 - Emile Griffith
    40 - Jose Napoles
    41 - Alexis Arguello
    42 - Michael Spinks
    43 - Tommy Loughran
    44 - Thomas Hearns
    45 - Jimmy Bivins
    46 - Ike Williams
    47 - Floyd Mayweather


    I actually think beating up an unbeaten up and comer one weight class above his best, so much younger, will enhance his ranking by a little. But I don't think he'll be into the top 40.
     
  9. jaymon112

    jaymon112 MARVELOUS Full Member

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    Do you reckon he can crack the Top 40? If so, who could he defeat of the current generation to do that?
     
  10. McGrain

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    Part of Money's problem, as you've identified, is opposition. If you look at Jimmy Bivins, he's beaten an absolute slew of ATG fighters - Moore, Burley, Charles, absolutely greats. So weirdly, Pacquiao even past prime is probably his best win. He shot himself in the foot there. He would have won that I think, prime for prime and it would have been worth maybe as many as six slots on its own.


    Longevity is his best bet for a top 40 finish now.
     
  11. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How the hell is Roy jones 29 and floyd 47?
     
  12. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    These make believe lists are a waste of time and usually biased as ****. Fact is floyd is one of the greatest fighters of this generation. He will be remembered as one of the best boxers to ever lace them up.
     
  13. Josephd86

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    Not many of those fighters has changed the game the way that Floyd has. At worst he is top 20. Even the way he preps on the pads. A new breed of fighter with the defensive craft he has created and perfected will be born. Not many on that list did that
     
  14. sauroncuneta

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    Pac still ranks higher than Void in ATG rankings.
     
  15. ButeTheBeast

    ButeTheBeast Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Behind GGG and Ward for me.