Anyone still got Ward as P4P # 1????

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  1. bodyopus

    bodyopus Active Member Full Member

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    *********** does:-(

    *******’s Pound for Pound Top Ten

    By Cliff Rold

    1) Andre Ward (26-0, 14 KO)
    Age: 29
    Current Titles: WBA Super Middleweight (2009-Present, 5 Defenses); Lineal World/TBRB/Ring/ Super Middleweight (2011-Present, 1 Defense)
    Record in Title Fights: 6-0, 1 KO
    Last Five Opponents: Chad Dawson (TKO10), Carl Froch (UD12), Arthur Abraham (UD12), Sakio Bika (UD12), Allan Green (UD12)

    Next Opponent: TBA

    The Take: Ward lags behind some of the men behind him in terms of career accomplishments. After lopsided wins of increasing dominance over the best Super Middleweight (Carl Froch) and Light Heavyweight (Chad Dawson) in the game, he’s closing the gap as quickly as he can. Ward, since breaking out with a master class against Mikkel Kessler, has completed the development of an overall game as tough as any in boxing. He isn’t always pretty, but he can do it all. He’s not a great puncher, but he can hurt. He is a nasty beast on the inside. He can outbox just about anyone at range. The intangible that puts him over the top and into this top slot: prime. Ward is in his. Mayweather and Marquez, while still obviously great fighters, are not anymore. Prime counts and if everyone in boxing were the same size, the Ward we’re seeing right now could beat anyone. His recovery from shoulder surgery seems to be going well and he is on target for a return later in the year. Will it be against Carl Froch, a rematch that has gained steam as Froch has continued racking up big wins? Would Ward travel?

    2) Floyd Mayweather (44-0, 26 KO);
    Age: 36;
    Current Title: Lineal World Welterweight (2010-Present, 2 Defenses); WBC Welterweight (2011-Present, 0 Defenses); WBA “Super” Light Middleweight (2012-Present, 0 Defenses); Ring Welterweight (2013-Present, 0 Defenses);
    Lineal World Championships: World Jr. Lightweight (1998-2002, 8 Defenses); World Lightweight (2002-2004, 3 Defenses); World Welterweight (2006-08, 1 Defense);
    Additional Titles: WBC Super Featherweight (1998-2002, 8 Defenses); Ring/WBC Lightweight (2002-2004, 3 Defenses); WBC Super Lightweight (2005); IBF Welterweight (2006); Ring/WBC Welterweight (2006-08, 1 Defense); WBC Super Welterweight (2007);
    Record in Title Fights: 22-0, 10 KO (Overall); 18-0, 9 KO (Lineal Only);
    Last Five Opponents: Robert Guerrero (UD12), Miguel Cotto (UD12), Victor Ortiz (KO4), Shane Mosley (UD12), Juan Manuel Marquez (UD12)

    Next Opponent: September 14, 2013 vs. Saul Alvarez (42-0-1, 30 KO)

    The Take: Mayweather did what he’s always done again on May 4, winning a lopsided decision over Robert Guerrero to keep the lineal Welterweight crown and continue an amazing career. It wasn’t a particularly thrilling fight, but it was the latest exhibit of all the little things Floyd does right. His punch placement, footwork, and anticipation are still among the best in the game. He’s not quite what he was at absolute prime, but it’s still more than enough to handle the best at Welterweight. Is it enough to handle what appears to be an emerged threat one class higher? The biggest money fight in all the sport is a showdown with Saul Alvarez at 154 lbs. and it is now all signed. Mayweather is 2-0 at Jr. Middleweight, but never against someone who is as natural to the class. The superfight is coming.
     
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  2. ButeTheBeast

    ButeTheBeast Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wards fought his biggest rivals and beat them.
    Floyd didn't fight (I'm not asking about who's fault it was) his biggest rival
     
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  3. Ivo

    Ivo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is easy when you type the truth.

    Wilder has beaten Harrison and Liakhovich. Canelo - Mosley and Trout. So it is basically the same. Both still need to develop. Too early for big fights.
     
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  4. bigeddie27

    bigeddie27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward is still #1 p4p. Canelo was not even undisputed in his division. Close to it, but its not like he cleaned it out (thinking Lara). Face the facts losers, Ward is that new ****, Floyd is yesterday's news. Floyd has got a lot of catching up to do compared to Ward cleaning out 168, and taking out the man at 175. Even with a year off. But most of you ***gots side with wherever the wind is blowing at the moment. And floyd ran like a ***** when Ward called him out at 160 so **** yall.
     
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  5. bigeddie27

    bigeddie27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Again, like I just said, even with a year off Ward has done more. Cleaned out 168, and took out the man at 175. Go ahead and make up your weight drain excuses. And he is coming back on 11-16. Ward will fight 4 times a year, and against whoever, wherever. Hell, his competition will openly admit to wanting no part of him (ask Hopkins and Groves). Anybody is willing to fight Floyd. Not like Pretty Boy is bringing the hurt. I am tired of this nonsense, Ward gets no credit on here.
     
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  6. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Surely it is the other way round Ward should have a lot to do too catch up with Floyd?

    A former 130 lbs champ, 135 lbs champ, 140 lbs title holder, 147 lbs champ and 154 lbs champ.
     
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  7. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad is in the weakest, most diluted form of the HW division in the HISTORY of boxing. COmbine that with the fact that he's actually a Super heavyweight, and there's no way he can be considered anything above the 4th or 5th best P4P fighter, and that's solely based on longevity and nothing more.

    Even Ward has long considered Mayweather the best in the business. I like Ward but he's been inactive for too long, I'm almost at the point where I want to put JMM at the # 2 slot especially since I think he beat pacman 3 x's and drew only once against him.
     
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  8. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes I do, because I didn't think Canelo was that good to begin with. I thought he lost the Trout fight.
     
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  9. mick557

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  10. TED 822

    TED 822 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward is a great fighter,and if he moves up to light heavy proper and beats Stevenson and/or the Russian hell be an all-time great for me.But Mayweather already is.A case could be made for him being the best boxer ever.Not many will like this,but I rate him above Ali pound for pound.Alvarez is a hell of a fighter,and Mayweather played with him.By his age,Robinson was in decline and Leonard was finished.
     
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  11. Rangersfan1982

    Rangersfan1982 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Totally agree. You can only stay on top if you're actually competing regularly.
     
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  12. bigeddie27

    bigeddie27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd has been out of the game for awhile. Fighting the likes of a has-been Cotto (who was never really anybody to begin with), has-been delaHoya, has-been Mosley, ducking pacman, a nobody Ortiz, etc... Hell, his best win before Cinnamon was Hatton which was forever ago.

    Meanwhile, olympic gold medalist thrashes through everyone in the 168 division. Takes no prisoners whatsoever. Takes out the man at 175, and does it all in a couple of years.

    Who's catching up with who again? Maybe the Floyd that clipped Corrales, I might be with you there for him being p4p#1. That was eons ago. But Floyd beating Cinnamon, that does not all of a sudden make him p4p#1 over Ward. Ward would have taken out Cinnamon, Lara, whoever in that division until they all ran form him like the plague. But keep being a fan of that other bull****, go for it.
     
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