Could Pacquiao have ever beaten Floyd?

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  1. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    of course not
     
  2. Snakefist

    Snakefist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's interesting how you would hate on Mayweather, RJJ and him have a parallel struggle.

    Pac would lose to Mayweather. Pac would have to, learn how to cut off the ring better, develop a better jab to work off of... his jumping in and out would get him countered all night, he may run right into a right hand, similar to the one Marquez landed, all night.

    I think Pac had a chance to defeat him, on the basis that his legs, footspeed he he worked on cutting off the ring would be something, his changing of angles could present problems, but HE CANT jump in to do it, it has to work behind the jab, mix it up with feints... jab to the body as well... don't do his amateurish feint when both is hands is down and he does like a weird double feint and runs right into a right hand... and he cant do that jumping out thing either, mayweather will be in his shell and counter him right as he does it. He would have to turn away from mayweather. I think also it would do good for him to learn some infighting techniques... he isnt really a infighter...

    Pac can be outboxed, in short. And if there is a fighter who can do it, better than Marquez, who is a better counterpuncher to boot, it is mayweather. but if Pac worked on those things he could win, but then if he could work on those things, he would already possess those qualities, fighting Marquez as many times as he has.
     
  3. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pac's lead left is faster than any power shot that Zab can throw. And he times it almost perfectly as a counter to the left jab.
    They both have quick and accurate lefts, but Pacquiao's has more pop behind it, and he can throw it at the most awkward of angles.
    Pac's right hook is not only as fast, if not faster, it is 10x more powerful.
    They both double pump their right jabs, to set up their lefts.
    The only real advantage that Zab has is his left hook. Pac seldom throws it and it's not nearly as effective.
    And maybe his body punching. But against Mayweather, I don't see that counting.


    And we are only talking about kinds of punches here. If you factor in workrate, stamina, volume punching, combinations and angles, you have an absolute blowout.

    Did you even watch Judah-Mayweather and know which punches that Judah threw that landed? It was the right hook and the straight left. On both counts Pac has better punches.

    YDKSAB.

    Yes we do know how Pac - JMM goes, close, exciting -- sometimes technical, sometimes all out war -- fights with both fighters giving it all they got on the ring.
    That's why it's hard to disrespect either Pac or JMM, regardless of what happened during their last fight.

    Mayweather on the other hand:
    Williams - DUCK!
    Maragarito - DUCK!
    Prime Mosley - DUCK!
    Prime Pacquiao - DUCK!

    And we get a snoozefest after a snoozefest after a snoozefest.

    I'll take Pac-JMM any day of the week over Ortiz, Guerero, Alvarez or an over the hill Cotto in a weight he was never proven at.

    Checkmate.
     
  4. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I don't hate Mayweather at all...

    I honestly believe he thought Pac had a decent chance of beating him, which is why the fight never happened.. Floyd wanted every advantage over at the time one of the best fighters in the world on an impressive winning streak that had the whole Mayweather family scared..

    Roy was very risk vs. reward at times too. If he wasn't he would have fought Nunn and DM... He never turned down a 40 million dollar fight though...
     
  5. Holy Grail

    Holy Grail Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wanted to like JMM, but I just can't. He came in doped on PEDs. To me, the change was a bit obvious and hard to overlook. Not just visually, there's too many other signs that point to him doping. I discredit his wins and can't really place him on any ATG list.
     
  6. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm a huge Pac fan and I'm telling you that that is not fair to JMM.
    Innocent until proven guilty.

    The only gripe I have against JMM is his reluctance to accept defeat. He was never gracious under it. But other than that he is a cool and badass dude.
     
  7. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Doubtful. I think it's pretty clear at this point that Mayweather would almost certainly have outclassed him, even when Pacquiao was at his best.
     
  8. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Defeat - yes.
    But outclass? As in shut Pacquiao out?
    I don't think so.

    Pac will win rounds -- especially the early ones.
    7-5 is not an unthinkable result for this fight.
     
  9. bodyopus

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    How is it that Pac's own strength & conditioning coach feels that JMM tranformation was very attainable without PED's and saw nothing out of the ordinary, yet YOU can somehow see much more than he can an lable JMM a PED user? Do you see the same For Pac's move up the weight classes, while maintaining and even gaining power & stamina?
     
  10. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Anyone who says Pac has no chance knows nothing about boxing and nothing about probability.

    Floyd had the chance to make one of the greatest fights in history. How often do you get two HOF fighters in the same weight class at the same time? We are talking about Hagler Hearns type fight. Very rarely. Not only would that fight have made more money than any other fight in history to that point in time, it would have really helped the winner cement a legacy and given the fans what they wanted. It didn't happen because of Floyd's health being of concern. He is a boxer for goodness sake. He didn't even have the confidence in himself to take that fight for himself and for boxing.
     
  11. BUBBLEGUM

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    because Floyd knew that even if he manages to beat him, it will be the toughest fight of his life and that Manny's speed and power would pose a very serious threat unparralled to any fighters he has ever faced and there will be bloodshed. Otherwise the fight would have been made already.
     
  12. mmorrison1132

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    Agree with most points.

    I think it would be competitive for 4-5 Rounds, and Mayweather would be able to adapt down the stretch.
     
  13. energie

    energie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    no never
     
  14. papadoc28

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    It takes 2 to tango homeboy. Pac was obviously concerned about his health as well since he believed a vial of blood the size of a pinky finger was gonna weaken to the point of death regardless if he had a 14 day cut off window or not.
     
  15. moulicules

    moulicules Chessmaster Full Member

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    let see in his fight vs. Rios. If the outcome is win by PAC impressive K.O, Im sure, Mayweather, retire again to avoid PAC!